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Author Topic: I want a monopod, but I'm so cheap that Scrooge says to loosen the purse strings  (Read 2818 times)

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I have used flip locks in the past and do not consider them suitable/trustworthy for tripods and mono pods. Both the Gitzo and Sirui twist locks are far superior and much easier to use, as well as being MUCH more secure.
As a complete inverse to your experience I have used twist locks in the past and find them slower and less trustworthy. I have used flip locks now for 15 years and wouldn't consider going back to twisties. Too slow when the pressure is on. What exactly is it that you find makes twist-locks MUCH more secure?

I've had twisties "sink" but never had a flip-lock sink under weight. Another advantage of a flip-lock is you have a visual confirm of the full-lock position. With a twistie, there is no visual cue. I've had legs on my twist-lock Gitzo tripod sag unexpectedly, but never my big flip-lock Manfrotto 075B. I'm a flippin' fan!

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I have used flip locks in the past and do not consider them suitable/trustworthy for tripods and mono pods. Both the Gitzo and Sirui twist locks are far superior and much easier to use, as well as being MUCH more secure.
As a complete inverse to your experience I have used twist locks in the past and find them slower and less trustworthy. I have used flip locks now for 15 years and wouldn't consider going back to twisties. Too slow when the pressure is on. What exactly is it that you find makes twist-locks MUCH more secure?

I've had twisties "sink" but never had a flip-lock sink under weight. Another advantage of a flip-lock is you have a visual confirm of the full-lock position. With a twistie, there is no visual cue. I've had legs on my twist-lock Gitzo tripod sag unexpectedly, but never my big flip-lock Manfrotto 075B. I'm a flippin' fan!

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I've only had flip locks... and I've done stupid things like not flip it all the way back... but that's more me being stupid than twist v. flip.
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I was comparing the carbon fiber to the aluminum... I'm spending an extra $80 to save 0.2 lbs of weight.  F--- that. 

At least per Amazon... but yeah... .2 lbs.
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Between the p324 and the p 424, there is only a $30 price difference... If that's the case, I'd get the latter.  Having said that... I'm an aluminum kind of guy. Carbon fiber is nice... it is lighter, but not at twice the cost.
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That's the great thing about the Sirui mono pods - they are cheap!
Seriously if you really want an alloy mono pod then get one but I guarantee you will be disappointed in the long run.
I have a Manfrotto 679 alloy mono pod in virtually mint condition, simply because it is never used!
The P424 is a fine piece of kit but really not necessary for a 500 F4 or smaller, that is where the P324 is a better choice - but there is no harm in too much support!

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Y'all have a much different definition of cheap than I do.  I think of cheap as my $20 dolica. 
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It sounds almost like you want something as cheap as this

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Portable-MONOPOD-Tripod-Unipod-Holder-for-Digital-Camera-DSLR-with-Carry-Bag-/370895847154?pt=AU_TripodsMonopods&hash=item565b1d7ef2&_uhb=1

But with the build quality and features of a more expensive brand/model.

Ive used cheap monopods and they work fine for short term use, as well as using expensive monopods.
Sure the more expensive ones made shooting easier but it comes down to what you have on hand at the time and is the amount you are going to use it going to justify the cost over its lifetime.

Otherwise we can tell you what we recommend all we like, end of the day its your $$ and your decision.
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It sounds almost like you want something as cheap as this

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Portable-MONOPOD-Tripod-Unipod-Holder-for-Digital-Camera-DSLR-with-Carry-Bag-/370895847154?pt=AU_TripodsMonopods&hash=item565b1d7ef2&_uhb=1

But with the build quality and features of a more expensive brand/model.

Ive used cheap monopods and they work fine for short term use, as well as using expensive monopods.
Sure the more expensive ones made shooting easier but it comes down to what you have on hand at the time and is the amount you are going to use it going to justify the cost over its lifetime.

Otherwise we can tell you what we recommend all we like, end of the day its your $$ and your decision.

The Sirui is $10 less than the the Manfrotto 560b-1... So I don't think I'm cheaping out if you will.  Though if you want to argue I'm spending the same amount of money one something that isn't as well made... I think that might be a reasonable argument...

The manfrotto is off my list because of the screw and the attachment so you can put on a head.  I just really REALLY don't like that.  To me... that feels cheap.  If they had a flip-able screw like I've seen on quite a few other high end tripods... I would probably go with the manfrotto...

And I realize I can get a carbon fiber monopod for less than I'm paying, though it wouldn't have the feet.  Brand name and everything... but I really want the feet.  The first time I saw that... I thought it was a little slice of genius.  Maybe I'm wrong... but at least I'm not mortgaging the house on a risk. 
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I have had two... the same one actually, but I think I lost the first one... the reason I think I lost the first one is because my house is a Mess with a capital M.  It very well could just be hiding under that pile of dead cats.  :/

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I don't kill the cats after taking their pictures.

I have a cat allergy... so that might explain it. 

And I do appreciate ya'lls help... I'm sure I don't say it enough... but I do.
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I bought a used Manfrotto carbon fiber monopod on ebay for $75.  Love it.  Hefty, but not heavy.  No head.  I shoot my 400mm f2.8 from it and don't need a head.

One time I bought a $12 Vivitar monotpod at walmart.  Figured i'd use it on my smaller gear.  Head cracked and the screw got stuck in my camera.  Took hours to remove.
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I bought a used Manfrotto carbon fiber monopod on ebay for $75.  Love it.  Hefty, but not heavy.  No head.  I shoot my 400mm f2.8 from it and don't need a head.

One time I bought a $12 Vivitar monotpod at walmart.  Figured i'd use it on my smaller gear.  cracked and the crew go stuck in my camera.  took hours to remove.

I didn't think about eBay... I'll search soon.
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I bought a used Manfrotto carbon fiber monopod on ebay for $75.  Love it.  Hefty, but not heavy.  No head.  I shoot my 400mm f2.8 from it and don't need a head.

One time I bought a $12 Vivitar monotpod at walmart.  Figured i'd use it on my smaller gear.  cracked and the crew go stuck in my camera.  took hours to remove.

I didn't think about eBay... I'll search soon.

So I've been losing every auction... que sera sera... but there are very few Sunsui (or whatever) available... so I will probably wind up with a Manfrotto... so I guess that's a plus.  I could have used it tonight... night shooting @ an amusement park, some long exposures... and an f/2.8 lens.  bleh.
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I have used flip locks in the past and do not consider them suitable/trustworthy for tripods and mono pods. Both the Gitzo and Sirui twist locks are far superior and much easier to use, as well as being MUCH more secure.
As a complete inverse to your experience I have used twist locks in the past and find them slower and less trustworthy. I have used flip locks now for 15 years and wouldn't consider going back to twisties. Too slow when the pressure is on. What exactly is it that you find makes twist-locks MUCH more secure?

I've had twisties "sink" but never had a flip-lock sink under weight. Another advantage of a flip-lock is you have a visual confirm of the full-lock position. With a twistie, there is no visual cue. I've had legs on my twist-lock Gitzo tripod sag unexpectedly, but never my big flip-lock Manfrotto 075B. I'm a flippin' fan!

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The Manfrotto 075B is indeed a pretty sturdy piece of kit though do remember to check the tension of the flip locks periodically! A couple of years ago during a Gear evening a colleagues 400 F2.8 + 1D3 required catching when two of the locks on his Manfrotto 075 started to slip - the twit hadn't tightened them for a while - so his fault.
As to Gitzo locks - I have an old Gitzo G1329 Mk2 (requires much more twisting force than my 3 newer ALR models), my Grand Nephew can and has tightened these leg locks sufficiently to support my 100 + Kilo weight, it's his 3rd birthday very soon! Was the Gitzo you tried faulty?
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I have used flip locks in the past and do not consider them suitable/trustworthy for tripods and mono pods. Both the Gitzo and Sirui twist locks are far superior and much easier to use, as well as being MUCH more secure.
As a complete inverse to your experience I have used twist locks in the past and find them slower and less trustworthy. I have used flip locks now for 15 years and wouldn't consider going back to twisties. Too slow when the pressure is on. What exactly is it that you find makes twist-locks MUCH more secure?

I've had twisties "sink" but never had a flip-lock sink under weight. Another advantage of a flip-lock is you have a visual confirm of the full-lock position. With a twistie, there is no visual cue. I've had legs on my twist-lock Gitzo tripod sag unexpectedly, but never my big flip-lock Manfrotto 075B. I'm a flippin' fan!

-pw

The Manfrotto 075B is indeed a pretty sturdy piece of kit though do remember to check the tension of the flip locks periodically! A couple of years ago during a Gear evening a colleagues 400 F2.8 + 1D3 required catching when two of the locks on his Manfrotto 075 started to slip - the twit hadn't tightened them for a while - so his fault.
As to Gitzo locks - I have an old Gitzo G1329 Mk2 (requires much more twisting force than my 3 newer ALR models), my Grand Nephew can and has tightened these leg locks sufficiently to support my 100 + Kilo weight, it's his 3rd birthday very soon! Was the Gitzo you tried faulty?
Yep, those flip locks on the Manfrotto are great until you forget to tighten them.  I was shooting some sports last year when I thought my monopod was sinking in the mud - nope just loose locks.  Luckily I had the wrench in my car.
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Vanguard is nice and affordable.

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