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Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« on: August 31, 2014, 04:49:26 PM »
Hi!  I'm a new member, new EOS-M owner, and longtime Canon fan who just pounced on that deal for the EOS-M with EF-M 22mm lens for $249.  I also picked up a Canon EF to EF-M adapter, to make sure the other 150 people who purchased the EOS-M in the past 24 hours don't buy up all the cheap ones  ;)

I'm (a struggling college grad who just entered) the film industry with no aspirations of becoming a professional DP.  I'd like a couple fairly cheap lenses to shoot some decent-looking comedy sketches or the odd event without having to bug my DP friends for help.  I plan to purchase a nice DSLR somewhere down the line and make the EOS-M my B-cam, but for now, I figure a $249 mirrorless camera is better than nothing/my phone camera.  (And I am very excited to use this little guy for casual travel pics.)

Which lens would you recommend to supplement the kit 22mm?  As mentioned, I have the adapter, so I can go EF-M or EF/EF-S - and I like how EF/EF-S will work on any DSLR I buy in the future.  I haven't found too many comparisons between EF and EF-M lenses, so I'm curious as to how the EF-M 18-55mm stacks up against EF primes.

I'm primarily considering:
  • Nifty fifty EF 50mm f/1.8 II - can't beat the price, and 50mm on a 1.6 crop seems like a good length for medium closeups
  • EF 40mm f/2.8 STM - I like how it's light and has good AF, but I'm concerned about difficulty manually focusing and that 40mm may be awkward with the crop factor
  • EF-M 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM - the flexibility of a zoom would be nice, though I've heard primes have better image quality

Not looking to spend more than $200 right now, though hopefully I'll be able to afford a nicer lens by Christmas. 

tl;dr Which has better image quality at long focal lengths, the EF-M 18-55mm, the EF 50mm f/1.8, the EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake?

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Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2014, 05:36:37 PM »
For lenses I'd look for STM (quiet focus) and IS (especially if you plan to hand hold with no stabilizer).  There are some EF-M and EF-S lenses that will fit the bill, but I'm not sure there's anything in your price range.

Also consider some time of external microphone and/or recorder for your sound.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2014, 05:51:02 PM »
40/2.8 and 18-55M have better IQ.  I'd go with the zoom, the combo of prime and zoom offers great flexibility, IMO.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 06:04:06 PM »
If you search on eBay, you can likely find a grey market EF-M 18-55 for $110 or less, often with a warranty from the seller.

Search the Canonpricewatch site for past postings on the EOS-M specials and also their info on reputable eBay sellers.

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 07:19:41 PM »
If you search on eBay, you can likely find a grey market EF-M 18-55 for $110 or less, often with a warranty from the seller.

eBay?  I got my white-box 18-55M for $109 from B&H, with free shipping.  Canon USA honors the warranty if you buy gray market.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 08:10:11 PM »
+1 for the 18-55M. It will be the most useful and it's cheap. I'd pass on the slow focusing nifty and opt for the 40mm instead.

Also look into getting an FD adaptor (like $10) and search for good manual focus FD glass that will be useful for video where you're most manual focusing anyway. Those old lenses are still quality but go for as low as $100 each for a good copy.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 08:51:26 PM »
Hi!  I'm a new member, new EOS-M owner, and longtime Canon fan who just pounced on that deal for the EOS-M with EF-M 22mm lens for $249.  I also picked up a Canon EF to EF-M adapter, to make sure the other 150 people who purchased the EOS-M in the past 24 hours don't buy up all the cheap ones  ;)

I'm (a struggling college grad who just entered) the film industry with no aspirations of becoming a professional DP.  I'd like a couple fairly cheap lenses to shoot some decent-looking comedy sketches or the odd event without having to bug my DP friends for help.  I plan to purchase a nice DSLR somewhere down the line and make the EOS-M my B-cam, but for now, I figure a $249 mirrorless camera is better than nothing/my phone camera.  (And I am very excited to use this little guy for casual travel pics.)

Which lens would you recommend to supplement the kit 22mm?  As mentioned, I have the adapter, so I can go EF-M or EF/EF-S - and I like how EF/EF-S will work on any DSLR I buy in the future.  I haven't found too many comparisons between EF and EF-M lenses, so I'm curious as to how the EF-M 18-55mm stacks up against EF primes.

I'm primarily considering:
  • Nifty fifty EF 50mm f/1.8 II - can't beat the price, and 50mm on a 1.6 crop seems like a good length for medium closeups
  • EF 40mm f/2.8 STM - I like how it's light and has good AF, but I'm concerned about difficulty manually focusing and that 40mm may be awkward with the crop factor
  • EF-M 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM - the flexibility of a zoom would be nice, though I've heard primes have better image quality

Not looking to spend more than $200 right now, though hopefully I'll be able to afford a nicer lens by Christmas. 

tl;dr Which has better image quality at long focal lengths, the EF-M 18-55mm, the EF 50mm f/1.8, the EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake?

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2014, 11:20:37 PM »
If you search on eBay, you can likely find a grey market EF-M 18-55 for $110 or less, often with a warranty from the seller.

eBay?  I got my white-box 18-55M for $109 from B&H, with free shipping.  Canon USA honors the warranty if you buy gray market.

Buying from B&H is much better than eBay! I had no idea this lens was available from B&H. Thank you for passing this information along.

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2014, 12:45:51 AM »
There is only one sensible choice, the 18-55mm kit lens, white box.  It is a very good lens and built for the EOS-M, and versatile. At $100-150 it is a value king.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2014, 12:50:53 AM »

  • EF 40mm f/2.8 STM - I like how it's light and has good AF, but I'm concerned about difficulty manually focusing and that 40mm may be awkward with the crop factor

There is NO CROP FACTOR! the sensor size of your Canon M is the same size as Super35, the Hollywood standard. Full Frame, AKA VistaVision, went out of style 50+ years ago.

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2014, 02:34:44 AM »
I currently have the 22mm and pack the nifty fifty attached to the EF adapter in my bag as my 2 lenses of choice for a light load w/ my EOS M.

You can never go wrong with the 50mm f/1.8. Such a great lens to have in your kit for the duration of your Canon endeavors.

But for a self-sustaining low budget shooter with no other cameras/lenses, I'd have to agree that the EF-M 18-55mm may be the way to go. Kit zoom lens with IS for anything day time. 22mm f/2 for low light.

Get a tripod and a Rode VideoMic (Go, since you're on a budget) and you have a solid HD video camera setup.

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2014, 05:19:50 AM »
EF-M 18-55 (on an EOS M) vs 40 (on a 60D):

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=813&Camera=812&Sample=0&FLI=5&API=1&LensComp=810&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

I can't find a similar example of the 50/1.8 on a crop camera to compare, but it will be significantly softer wide open, possibly about the same as the other two at f5.6.

The differentiating factor should be what focal length do you need? And how much sharpness do you need vs how narrow is the DoF you are after?

If narrow DoF isn't a main priority, the 18-55M wins hands down - just as sharp at the apertures it does, IS, and it zooms. If blurring the background is the main purpose of your second lens, the 50/1.8 should be the top of your priority list. A compromise between the two is the 40 - like the zoom its still very sharp at any aperture, with an in between performance for depth of field options.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2014, 06:30:51 AM »
Any possible distant future plans for an EF-M 50mm?
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 07:46:31 AM »
A 35mm equivalent lens is a good one to get you started for a very wide variety of subjects. You may want to shoot with it for a while and decide whether you want to go wider or longer. The zoom 18-55 is flexible but it is not wide enough and is a slow lens. In the event that you don't like the camera after using it for a while, then you better save your money for a DSLR and good EF lenses. I personally only use mine for 5% of the time.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2014, 10:50:20 PM »
Thanks for the recommendations, everyone!  My camera just arrived today, so once the battery is charged, I'll play around with the 22mm.  I'm definitely leaning toward the 18-55mm from B&H - that's a fantastic price.

And yes, audio equipment is next on my shopping list! 

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2014, 10:50:20 PM »