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what lens should I buy? (don't just vote for the more expensive one)

70/200 f/4 IS
3 (23.1%)
70/200 f/2.8 IS II
10 (76.9%)

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Voting closed: December 28, 2011, 01:55:54 AM

Author Topic: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II  (Read 11677 times)

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2011, 07:31:54 PM »

The f/2.8 is a beast in size and weight compared to the f/4.  I can hand-hold the f/4 all day, no problem.  I couldn't fathom doing that with the f/2.8.  If you use a tripod, the f/4 does not come with a collar but it really needs one to balance the camera if taking active photos.  For example, I took a bunch of shots of big cats at the zoo with the f/4 without a collar and I found myself constantly using my left hand to balance the lens.  I was exhausted afterward.

The f/4 is super sharp.  I have yet to put the f/2.8 through its paces, so I cannot comment on its use in the field.


I dont find the f/2.8 very heavy and am quite comfortable with it on a 1D4 all day.

Suggest you use the rifle holding position with your left elbow resting against your chest. This is a very stable technique and takes little energy.

I would suggest using 2 flash, get the iso down to a max of 400, and on a crop use the 24-105 for the majority of photos. Indoors if space is tight then flash + a wide zoom will be perfect.

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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2011, 07:31:54 PM »

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2011, 07:38:47 PM »

The f/2.8 is a beast in size and weight compared to the f/4.  I can hand-hold the f/4 all day, no problem.  I couldn't fathom doing that with the f/2.8.  If you use a tripod, the f/4 does not come with a collar but it really needs one to balance the camera if taking active photos.  For example, I took a bunch of shots of big cats at the zoo with the f/4 without a collar and I found myself constantly using my left hand to balance the lens.  I was exhausted afterward.

The f/4 is super sharp.  I have yet to put the f/2.8 through its paces, so I cannot comment on its use in the field.


I dont find the f/2.8 very heavy and am quite comfortable with it on a 1D4 all day.

Suggest you use the rifle holding position with your left elbow resting against your chest. This is a very stable technique and takes little energy.

I would suggest using 2 flash, get the iso down to a max of 400, and on a crop use the 24-105 for the majority of photos. Indoors if space is tight then flash + a wide zoom will be perfect.

I agree with this technique, I also have taken the tripod foot off mine and have the lens just behind the focus ring rest on the heal of my left hand then i have easy access to the focus ring with my left hand fingers without disturbing the shot if i'm manually focusing.
And following the rifle theme shoot the camera like you would shoot a rifle, steady, aim, exhale and halfway through exhaling squeaze the trigger leaving your finger depressed until well after the shot is off, dont snatch at the button beacuse it will introduce shake.
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2011, 07:42:42 PM »

I dont find the f/2.8 very heavy and am quite comfortable with it on a 1D4 all day.

Suggest you use the rifle holding position with your left elbow resting against your chest. This is a very stable technique and takes little energy.

I would suggest using 2 flash, get the iso down to a max of 400, and on a crop use the 24-105 for the majority of photos. Indoors if space is tight then flash + a wide zoom will be perfect.

I agree with this technique, I also have taken the tripod foot off mine and have the lens just behind the focus ring rest on the heal of my left hand then i have easy access to the focus ring with my left hand fingers without disturbing the shot if i'm manually focusing.
And following the rifle theme shoot the camera like you would shoot a rifle, steady, aim, exhale and halfway through exhaling squeaze the trigger leaving your finger depressed until well after the shot is off, dont snatch at the button beacuse it will introduce shake.

+1 - precisely - great position for panning too

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2011, 08:22:21 PM »
The single most important lens in my armory.

I bet if you bought five, you could sell them in 8 months and make a little money. (warning: past performance may not be indicative of future results).

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2011, 09:42:13 PM »
The single most important lens in my armory.

I bet if you bought five, you could sell them in 8 months and make a little money. (warning: past performance may not be indicative of future results).
LOL

i know! I paid $2800 for my 2 copies :( but everything is more expensive here in aus
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2011, 10:41:16 PM »
I own and love the f/4 IS but I shoot outdoors. Since you  are working indoors you will really need the f/2.8.

My 100-400 is a few ounces lighter than the f/2.8 II and I find that if I am holding it up for a while, waiting for a bird to give me the right head angle, it does get heavy. But that's why my second white lens was the f/4.

Considering the cost of the f/2.8 II you might be happier if you rented it for a few days to form your own opinion of how it is to work with.
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2011, 11:38:35 PM »

I agree with this technique, I also have taken the tripod foot off mine and have the lens just behind the focus ring rest on the heal of my left hand then i have easy access to the focus ring with my left hand fingers without disturbing the shot if i'm manually focusing.
And following the rifle theme shoot the camera like you would shoot a rifle, steady, aim, exhale and halfway through exhaling squeaze the trigger leaving your finger depressed until well after the shot is off, dont snatch at the button beacuse it will introduce shake.

I agree on removing the tripod mount.  For hand-held shooting my wife and I both find it more comfortable without.

I think also that the weight should not be too much of a concern.  Even my wife (who used to complain bitterly about heavy cameras) is happy to shoot all day with the f/2.8.
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2011, 11:43:56 PM »
I own and love the f/4 IS but I shoot outdoors. Since you  are working indoors you will really need the f/2.8.

My 100-400 is a few ounces lighter than the f/2.8 II and I find that if I am holding it up for a while, waiting for a bird to give me the right head angle, it does get heavy. But that's why my second white lens was the f/4.

Considering the cost of the f/2.8 II you might be happier if you rented it for a few days to form your own opinion of how it is to work with.
I have the 28-300 similar style and while on paper its not alot heavier than the 70-200 it felt significantly heavier particularly when at full extension because all that weight is so much further forward of the camera putting more downward force on your supporting arm. the 70-200 feels like a featherweight by comparison
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2011, 11:58:55 PM »
You will not question the weight once you start seeing the photos the 2.8 can produce. And it's really not ridiculously heavy.

Build quality - unreal. Mine was dropped (not by me, but I saw it happen) from waist-level onto a very hard floor. No damage whatsoever. That thing is a tank.

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2011, 12:00:55 AM »
You will not question the weight once you start seeing the photos the 2.8 can produce. And it's really not ridiculously heavy.

Build quality - unreal. Mine was dropped (not by me, but I saw it happen) from waist-level onto a very hard floor. No damage whatsoever. That thing is a tank.

I would have cried like a little girl  :'(
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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2011, 09:28:20 AM »
You will not question the weight once you start seeing the photos the 2.8 can produce. And it's really not ridiculously heavy.

Build quality - unreal. Mine was dropped (not by me, but I saw it happen) from waist-level onto a very hard floor. No damage whatsoever. That thing is a tank.

I would have cried like a little girl  :'(

The world did seem to stop when it happened. I had the lens in my camera bag, which was opened and sitting 'safely' on a table. I was demoing my camera to some high school students, and a student, trying to be helpful, picked up my bag and was going to bring it to me for some unknown reason. When the lens fell... the thud it made was unreal. Everyone kind of froze, and I didn't know how to react. But I tried to not make him feel too awful. Maybe just a little though. :) I tested the lens exhaustively as soon as I was alone, sure something was going to be wrong. I couldn't find anything. It landed on the edge of the front element, in a way that the lens hood, on in reverse for storage, didn't seem to cushion the blow. Probably way more information than any wanted to know, but oh well. :)

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2011, 12:23:25 PM »
First off, get the 2.8 you'll love it, it is easily my favourite lens. While I nicknamed mine the beast like many others, weight wise I don't find it too bad at all, I can shoot hand-held all day without problem.  I've also carried it all day walking around with ease and comfort; I use a BlackRapid RS7 strap and mount it to the tripod ring so it balances nicely when I carry it.

And following the rifle theme shoot the camera like you would shoot a rifle, steady, aim, exhale and halfway through exhaling squeaze the trigger leaving your finger depressed until well after the shot is off, dont snatch at the button beacuse it will introduce shake.

Great analogy, very true.

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2011, 01:04:23 PM »
I also carry my 100-400 with a BlackRapid RS7. It hangs horizontally on my hip with the strap attached to the tripod ring. This seems to be the way with the less than SuperTele lenses.
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« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2011, 01:10:54 PM »
I also carry my 100-400 with a BlackRapid RS7. It hangs horizontally on my hip with the strap attached to the tripod ring. This seems to be the way with the less than SuperTele lenses.

I hang the 1D4 + 400F/2.8 off my Black Rapid DR1 with a second body with the 70-200 f/2.8II off the second strap

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Re: Help! 70/200mm f/4 IS OR 70/200mm f/2.8 IS II
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2011, 03:31:52 PM »
You need the 2.8, and an assistant to carry it. :) Have to agree with the others. For weddings, the 2.8 is way to go.

If you need to save, go sigma, or go version I, or no IS.


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