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Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 11:43:41 PM »
MUSIC TO MY F-ING EARS... save the 36mp sensors for the point and shoots and the  best buy shoppers...

1Dx sensor here we come... best rumor ever on this site!

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 11:43:41 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 11:57:45 PM »
Unless they introduce a new FF stills camera that maybe does some video as well.

I like your thinking.

Leave specialist video to the C300, high-end video to the 1DX, and the new 5DIII can focus less on video and more on still image quality.

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2011, 12:09:43 AM »
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea of less megapixels and better iso and hopefully dr performance.

yes, and add the option to adjust DR up to 12 stops... now wouldnt that be revolutionary?

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2011, 12:10:29 AM »
Thank god I bought my "crappy" high-res 5d2!

haha ditto,

I really do want to see the real world quality of the high iso that will come from these new sensors though i know lots of people use 3200 on the 5D2 but I generally try to draw the line at 1600. realistically I will be suprised if they get 6400 to = current 1600 levels. 2 whole stops is a big ask but they will need to deliver that to keep everyone happy i think.
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2011, 12:28:04 AM »
It's going to be good to see what the 5DIII has to offer.

1. They must have sorted out the gripes with the AF.
2. Less MP than the 5DII but with a better sensor would be pretty awesome.
3. FPS, going to be way less than the 1DX (or even the 1DmkIV), but an improvement on the 5DmkII. Maybe about 5-6FPS?
4. Build quality, probably about the same, but maybe an upping on the estimated shutter life from 150'000 clicks to 250'000 clicks?

Basically it's going to have to be a bit better than the current 5DmkII, but not nearly as good as the 1DX so as not to cut into 1DX sales like the 5DmkII did to the 1DsmkIII.

Exciting times, wonder when the release will be though. With the big price drop in 5DmkII bodies it could be sooner than we anticipate.

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2011, 12:41:02 AM »
I would hope they impove the AF,
Body size stay the same would be good, beef up the weather sealing better card door and battery door,
dual cards? (one can hope)

Interestingly Prior to the 1Dx anouncement I was watching 1D mk4s second hand and there were lots popping up on ebay quite a few between 3500 and 4000 final selling price, after the announcement I cant see and second hand and new ones seem to be holding their price, I think everyone that has the 1D mk4 are going to keep it, I would expect to see a similar thing with 5D2 sales as people shooting landscape etc that use tripods and ISO100 really dont care about high ISO still makes the 5D2 an awesome landscape camera.

I'm also not sure about valididty of comments about lenses not resolving greater than 18MP whats that all about anyway?
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2011, 12:53:32 AM »
I find it interesting that in 2007 Canon developed a 50MP sensor, then a 120MP sensor in 2010, and in 2011 they seem to be saying fewer MP's are better.  Why even work on multiple proof-of-concept sensors like that if the concept is inherently flawed?

Because you don't know what you can (or can't) do until you try.   As Thomas Edison said: "I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work."
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2011, 01:01:28 AM »
They had better not apply this low-res madness to the 7D. I will rage! Or cry. :'(

Seriously, I just do not see the point in this. If you don;t like 36 noisy megapixels, down res them to your 18 clean ones and be amazed!

Cropping, however, is critical to my photography. I can't afford the 800 5.6 and the tripod etc to go with it, so it will remain a 600 5.6 (300 2.8 + 2x TC) for me and a whole lot of cropping. My 18 MP crops look great! If I had 24 MP to work with, this could make things perhaps e'en better! 36 might be stretching things a bit with the diffraction...
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2011, 01:08:50 AM »
If the source is NL, then we should take it with a pinch of salt... :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2011, 01:57:12 AM »
I would have to see a SIGNIFICANT increase in low light capabilities and, more important, dynamic range before I would consider moving backward in resolution.  As others have said, a 36MP sensor can be down sampled to a nice clean 18MP image if size or noise is a concern.  Going the other direction is problematic, as is cropping a lower res image.  I, for one, hope this is bunk.

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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2011, 02:37:45 AM »
1.  If the 5D3 got 18mp, why do you think Canon would put in the 1Dx sensor?

2.  Why 18mp? Canon have always increased their megapixels eg. 5D, 5D2

3.  How many mp does someone really need truthfully?

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2011, 03:15:50 AM »
This might be exactly what I want/need:
- a full frame SLR form factor camera that does very high quality video (with excellent low light capability) without moire/aliasing with quality comparable to series of 1920x1080 still images. Video compression is ok if the bit rate is in the realm >=50 Mbit/s. If the moire is absent, the encoder will be more efficient and the false details do not need to get encoded and the overall quality will be much higher even if the bit rate did not increase at all over 5D2.
- and does also stills with excellent dynamic range and excellent low light capability (I am still looking for a camera that can take good pictures of my black cat)
- one that accepts my L-lens collection and possibly/preferably is compatible with electronic follow focus
- camera price in the realm of 5D2 or maximum ~1000 more (5000 would be already too much to justify purchase - as priorities are lenses first and body second)
- body preferably smaller than 1DX
- autofocus is not highly important, as in many cases I manual focus. Would be nice though. But I will take video without aliasing rather than any autofocus any day.
- extreme still speed is not highly important (would be nice though, but not absolutely mandatory), as I am not expecting a sports camera as I am not a sports photographer
- audio / XLRs etc. are not important, I am recording audio separately anyway with dedicated audio recorder and mics and I don't plan going back to internally recorded audio as my audio recorder lives its own upgrade path now.
- I have rigs, steadicams etc. and I don't need any video handles in the camera. As clean and simple as possible is better. That would be also easier to balance to the steadicam.

The Cinema* models from Canon would have been far beyond my budget (as nobody pays me at the moment anything for the video content I create because my job/income is in a different industry), but if this 5D3 is really finally coming, then this probably is my next camera. After that my 5D2 becomes the B-cam or mainly still cam (as my eyes are now so trained to see moire that I nowadays see it everywhere, even where others can't see it, e.g. even in scenes that do not contain any straight horizontal lines and it bugs me like a broken tweeter (which distorts) in a loudspeaker).

So this is the most promising rumor to the date about future Canon models. The previous announcements have been disappointing. The crowd is waiting for a 5D mark III and not a hyper expensive Cinema camera that costs more than RED. A big part of the video DSLR revolution was the price-value ratio of the camera and also the versatility to use the same camera for stills and video. If either of these are absent, it is no longer revolutionary and just a yet another (potentially inferior unless only reliability is the criteria) competitor (with questionable price-value ratio) for cameras like RED Scarlet and Arri Alexa. Canon should put out the 5D mark III fast because this is what I and I believe so many others have been so long waiting for for very good reasons. I hope the 5D3 will live up to its expectations and also I hope that Canon comes up with it fast. 5D3 is needed soonish (January/February 2012 at the latest) and not a year from now.


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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2011, 03:27:45 AM »
"no more than 18mp" sounds like open decision between  the 18MP of the 1Dx or a sensor of the video fraction. Probable we will see a 5C instead a 5DIII.
Interesting is how the price gaps between 7D, 5DIII and 1Dx are filled. What is with the rumored low price FF camera?

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2011, 03:30:50 AM »
On my opinion this could be a great news for "Canon lovers".
Don't be afraid of small cut down in resolution, benefits of new sensor in combination with DIGIC 5 (DIGIC5+) are yet to be revealed.
I think we will be more than pleased with final results for stills & video in new 5D .

My guess for 5D Mark III:

1. Single DIGIC 5+ supporting up to max 6 raw pictures in sec. (+1 for JPG)
2. Very usable ISO 6400 for stills, max ISO for video 12800, camera max ex. ISO 51200
3. AF for video
4. Audio control - same as 1Dx
5. Articulated LCD screen (trust me, this is very usable in real life situations)
6. Double CF slot (same as 1Dx)
7. Weather sealed body (slightly different than 1Dx)
8. Improved AF in 19 points for stills (better than 7D)
9. Price range - from 2.990,00$ - 3.490,00$ body only.

I think these specifications will be applied for new 5D.

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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2011, 03:32:58 AM »
Picture this (no pun): you shot your model from the waste up but you want just a head shot for what ever reason. But you're effed because your camera is no longer a 21 but an 18. That would suck.


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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2011, 03:32:58 AM »