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B&W film-type emulation to be incorporated on next EOS bodies or not.

B&W film-type emulator menu option to be incorporated on the body
2 (15.4%)
Silver Efex or equivalent to be bundled on EOS utilities CD
2 (15.4%)
Do nothing, don't care about B&W grain anyway (or other reason)
9 (69.2%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Voting closed: December 20, 2011, 06:15:04 PM

Author Topic: B&W photography: What happened to grain?  (Read 2201 times)

GND

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B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« on: November 30, 2011, 06:15:04 PM »
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B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« on: November 30, 2011, 06:15:04 PM »

alipaulphotography

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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2011, 07:05:01 PM »
None of those options sum up my view. I do care about grain and I do add it into my images. I use ASE for all my colour processing and grain. I don't want it bundled with EOS whatever because I don't use their software as it is crap. I don't want the processing in camera because a) - I shoot RAW so process after anyway and b) Some photos I might want more grain than others. I'd rather start with a clean image and add any effects on after than start with a processed image of any sort. Cameras do not make my choices for me.

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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 07:19:15 PM »
There seems to be a presumption here that grain is wonderful and everyone loves it. I don't think that's entirely valid. While some folks like it for artistic expression, I guess, I never wanted it in my B & W. I just shot a couple of B & W rolls recently, one a 100 ISO and one a 50 -- to reduce the grain factor. You'd have to take me out in the middle of the night to get me to put a roll of Tri-x in the camera!

I do agree the typical conversions of digital images from original color to B & W (never tried the B & W function in the camera) are not good. So, like you I'm using Silver Efex and loving it. And when I look at their film emulations, I hate them all.

I guess it's just a preference.
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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2011, 09:47:33 PM »
If I want grain, I can add it later. Or shoot high ISO...
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alipaulphotography

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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2011, 07:08:52 AM »
If I want grain, I can add it later. Or shoot high ISO...

There is a big difference between noise and grain. Grain can add character to an image. Noise reduces the quality and resolution. Adding grain in many PP softwares is horrible. I hate lightroom grain. Alien skin exposure can add different levels of grain to highlights, midtones and shadows creating a much more pleasing effect.

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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 12:21:21 AM »
I have info that says that will be no 5D Mark III but has a ful frame 18 mp very fast between the 5D is 7D.......... :-X

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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 02:01:04 AM »
Voted option #3, it went away.

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Re: B&W photography: What happened to grain?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 02:01:04 AM »