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G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« on: October 11, 2014, 01:26:16 PM »
I'm looking for a small(ish) traveling camera.  I will also buy a water-tight casing for scuba photography which is available for either camera.

Should I get the G1X Mark II or the new G7X.  I'm looking for the highest IQ and greatest ability for low light possible between these two cameras.  The size difference between them is not that important to me.

Here is my comparison of what is important:
G1X-II:  1.5" sensor @ 12 MP, optional EVF, hot boot for external flash, and nice grip
G7X: 1" sensor @ 20 MP, no possible EVF, no possible external flash and no grip

Again, I'm looking for the highest IQ and best low light pix since I'm used to what my 5D3 can produce.

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G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« on: October 11, 2014, 01:26:16 PM »

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 12:21:39 AM »
The Larger sensor gives the best low light performance.  I think that my G1X has better IQ than any of the G7X photos I've seen, DPR has photos from a production camera now, and they seem to lack detail. 
 
I've yet to use my camera in extreme low light situations as of yet.
 
You can use the DPR studio image comparison set to ISO 3200 Raw and compare it to the Sony RX100 III which has the same sensor as the Canon G7X. 
 
The large sensor of the G1X wins handily at ISO 3200, its not even close.  It looks very close to a 70D.
 
At low ISO's where noise does not eat up the Sony cameras resolution, its more even, but there is more detail and contrast in the G1X images at ISO 100.
 
 
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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 11:12:56 AM »
Thank you Mt Spokane Photography for your response.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2014, 11:17:50 AM »
Have you considered the Panasonic LX100? I'm looking for a camera for exactly the same purpose as you do, and the LX100 seems to be the perfect compromise in size, IQ, aperture, EVF and so on...
If you wanna stay with Canon, go for the G7X. The Sony sensor does true magic and the G1XII images are just too soft at high ISO's in my experience.
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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2014, 10:18:36 PM »
@tayassu - Does Panasonic offer a water tight case to 140 feet/40 meters for the LX100 suitable for underwater photography?

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2014, 10:50:50 PM »
Have you considered the Panasonic LX100? I'm looking for a camera for exactly the same purpose as you do, and the LX100 seems to be the perfect compromise in size, IQ, aperture, EVF and so on...
If you wanna stay with Canon, go for the G7X. The Sony sensor does true magic and the G1XII images are just too soft at high ISO's in my experience.

What experience do you actually have with the G1X II, The Sony sensor, or the LX 100?  Post your photos.  I'll start with one of mine and include a crop.
 
I don't see a issue with the sharpness of my G1X, its not as good as my 5D MK III + 24-70mm MK II lens, but it does not cost $5,600 either.
 
 

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 12:17:39 AM »

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I don't see a issue with the sharpness of my G1X, its not as good as my 5D MK III + 24-70mm MK II lens, but it does not cost $5,600 either.
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i am looking for a pocket camera. i tried an rx100iii in the store but didn't like the way it felt. too small and the controls seemed jammed together. maybe i can find a store with one of these to try. your example shot looks great.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 12:17:39 AM »

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2014, 12:28:25 AM »

I don't see a issue with the sharpness of my G1X, its not as good as my 5D MK III + 24-70mm MK II lens, but it does not cost $5,600 either.


i am looking for a pocket camera. i tried an rx100iii in the store but didn't like the way it felt. too small and the controls seemed jammed together. maybe i can find a store with one of these to try. your example shot looks great.

 
The Sony RX100 III is a great camera, I am all thumbs, and the zoom range is limited, so I passed, but I see nothing wrong with the sharpness of my G1X MK II.  The lens on the MK I was indeed a weak point.
 
I'm just asking because the comment indicated experience with all three cameras.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2014, 10:54:42 AM »
@tayassu - Does Panasonic offer a water tight case to 140 feet/40 meters for the LX100 suitable for underwater photography?

I have no idea, but you can always go with an Ewa-Marine underwater housing or something like that ;)

@MtSpokane I meant at high ISO's ;)
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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2014, 08:17:08 PM »
I just got the G7x today and took some shots on a walk and indoors. The camera is nice but after looking at the jpeg and raw files. The picture appears to have a decent IQ but looking at it closer there is a tough distinction to determine if it was even in focus since it does not have any sharp areas in the image. there are details but slight at best. Was hoping since it was a good option for a portable camera. I liked the touch interface but the pictures are just soft even at low iso's. I can try taking a pic of a book on a shelf but that's not how I am going to use it. I am going to have to rethink this. Maybe the G1x II or look at the Sony Nex series again even though I prefer to stay all Canon. $700 is too much for just ok.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2014, 08:53:16 PM »
I just got the G7x today and took some shots on a walk and indoors. The camera is nice but after looking at the jpeg and raw files. The picture appears to have a decent IQ but looking at it closer there is a tough distinction to determine if it was even in focus since it does not have any sharp areas in the image. there are details but slight at best. Was hoping since it was a good option for a portable camera. I liked the touch interface but the pictures are just soft even at low iso's. I can try taking a pic of a book on a shelf but that's not how I am going to use it. I am going to have to rethink this. Maybe the G1x II or look at the Sony Nex series again even though I prefer to stay all Canon. $700 is too much for just ok.


That is unfortunate to hear.I looked at some crop comparisons, I think it was ir. the g7x crops looked blurry like they were a bit out of focus with a lot of fringing. I thought it was just a bad setup but maybe the lens is just not the best. Too bad. The g1xii looked good.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2014, 09:19:11 PM »


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Molly my dog. It shows decent detail when really close.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2014, 08:38:18 AM »
My personal experience: I returned the G7X. The pictures are very soft and there is much noise, more noise than expected for this price. And the AF is not very accurate, if it is darker.

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2014, 08:38:18 AM »

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2014, 08:42:49 AM »
Molly my dog. It shows decent detail when really close.

Honestly, I don't care about the camera.  That is an adorable picture of your dog.   :)
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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2014, 08:49:33 AM »
Molly my dog. It shows decent detail when really close.

Honestly, I don't care about the camera.  That is an adorable picture of your dog.   :)

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Re: G1X-II's larger sensor w/ EVF or newer G7X with higher MP?
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2014, 08:49:33 AM »