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EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« on: December 05, 2011, 07:34:31 AM »
So I just got the 24 - 105 to replace my EF-S 18-135.

First time dealing with RytherCamera, and despite the hard push on accessories when I needed to upgrade my shipping, overall arrived fine... White Box special which I would have preferred to know about up front, but New is New and at $900, not too bad

I still have not learned how to "test" a lens, but gave it a 5 minute look over, all elements look clean, AF seems quick and accurate, nothing seems loose....

The only one thing that concerns me is the zoom feels firm.  It is not tight, but compared to my 70-200 F4L Non-IS just seems like there is a small degree more needed to turn the ring, and there is a tiny bid more sound when turning the ring compared to the 70-200.  Have a full warranty from Canon, but looking to more experienced folks as to if this is normal, a "feature" of the lens, or a sign of slightly poorer build that should be sent in for servicing. 

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EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« on: December 05, 2011, 07:34:31 AM »

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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 08:55:15 AM »

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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 08:58:59 AM »
I'd say it's normal.  While I don't have a 70-200/4 non-IS, my 24-105mm lens has substantially more resistance on the zoom ring than my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.  The 24-105 that I have is actually my second copy (I bought one used, then sold it and got a new one for even money when buying my 5DII kit, although there was nothing wrong with the first), and it was the same.  Comparing to the EF-S 17-55mm, the 24-105mm zoom also has a little more resistance.  Consider - it's an extending design, and it's weather-sealed - that means there's an o-ring/brush at the base of the zoom extension, so there's extra friction to overcome compared to a non-extending zoom or a non-sealed extending zoom.  That o-ring is also the reason for the 'swishing' sound as you zoom the lens.
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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 09:30:22 AM »
I'd say it's normal.  While I don't have a 70-200/4 non-IS, my 24-105mm lens has substantially more resistance on the zoom ring than my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.  The 24-105 that I have is actually my second copy (I bought one used, then sold it and got a new one for even money when buying my 5DII kit, although there was nothing wrong with the first), and it was the same.  Comparing to the EF-S 17-55mm, the 24-105mm zoom also has a little more resistance.  Consider - it's an extending design, and it's weather-sealed - that means there's an o-ring/brush at the base of the zoom extension, so there's extra friction to overcome compared to a non-extending zoom or a non-sealed extending zoom.  That o-ring is also the reason for the 'swishing' sound as you zoom the lens.

Neuro, sorry I am off topic here a bit but when you use your 24-105 f4 on your 5d mkII, do you still have good AF using only the center point AF since it is a 2.8 sensitive point on the 5DmkII?  Again sorry if this is off topic but everytime i try a copy of the 24-105 and since I always use the single center point on my 5D to AF, I find I have a lot of shot not that sharp...
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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 09:40:00 AM »
The only one thing that concerns me is the zoom feels firm.  It is not tight, but compared to my 70-200 F4L Non-IS just seems like there is a small degree more needed to turn the ring, and there is a tiny bid more sound when turning the ring compared to the 70-200.  Have a full warranty from Canon, but looking to more experienced folks as to if this is normal, a "feature" of the lens, or a sign of slightly poorer build that should be sent in for servicing. 

I have the 24-105 & used to have a 70-200 f/4 no-IS.  I recall the zoom on the 70-200 was particularly easy to work.  Bear in mind that the 70-200 is an internally zooming lens whereas the 24-105 has a lot more glass & lens body to move when you turn the ring.

I'd say that as long as everything works to your expectations & nothing feels really out of place (like a scratching sound or something) then you're probably OK.

If you're really worried about it you could try out another example at a shop & see if they work the same....

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 09:50:43 AM »
Neuro, sorry I am off topic here a bit but when you use your 24-105 f4 on your 5d mkII, do you still have good AF using only the center point AF since it is a 2.8 sensitive point on the 5DmkII?  Again sorry if this is off topic but everytime i try a copy of the 24-105 and since I always use the single center point on my 5D to AF, I find I have a lot of shot not that sharp...

Yes, it delivers good focus with the center point.  The 5DII's center point is an f/5.6 cross-type sensor with f/2.8-sensitivity only in one orientation.  Mine needed a bit of AFMA.
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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 09:52:34 AM »
@KacperP - I have read it, something I am still learning, and the biggest hurdle I am getting over is establishing reference points to what is normal in a particular lens. 

@neuroanatomist - Think you nailed it on the head.  Makes sense that comparing an extendable barrel with weather sealing versus an internal fixed barrel that there would be a feel difference.  The "swooshing" or what I was thinking of as an almost "corduroy" sound was the part that just sounded different to me compared to the EF-S. 

@funkyboy - I probably will still swing by a shop this weekend for a piece of mind and see how another one feels. 

Thanks for all of the feedback. 

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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 10:08:21 AM »
Neuro, sorry I am off topic here a bit but when you use your 24-105 f4 on your 5d mkII, do you still have good AF using only the center point AF since it is a 2.8 sensitive point on the 5DmkII?  Again sorry if this is off topic but everytime i try a copy of the 24-105 and since I always use the single center point on my 5D to AF, I find I have a lot of shot not that sharp...

Yes, it delivers good focus with the center point.  The 5DII's center point is an f/5.6 cross-type sensor with f/2.8-sensitivity only in one orientation.  Mine needed a bit of AFMA.

Ok thanks!  I will try with AFMA, it is probably all that I was missing...
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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 11:02:08 AM »
@funkyboy - I probably will still swing by a shop this weekend for a piece of mind and see how another one feels. 

Just a note:  I live pretty close to a few camera shops & do take advantage of the fact that they have physical cameras you can touch from time to time (I'm about to go look at a Fuji X10).  While I don't usually make major purchases from them as the price vs. online shopping makes a big difference, I do try to do as much business as I can there for small stuff when the price difference doesn't matter so much.  I also prefer them vs. online if I'm buying something 2nd hand, as they have guarantees on used stuff & you can check it out before you buy it.

Just bear in mind that it's in your interest to keep your local camera shop in business...

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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 03:10:37 PM »
I have owned two copies. One had more resistance than the other. I preferred the one with more since the lens didn't extend on its own while walking around.
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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2011, 04:08:00 PM »
I'm wondering if your white box special has a warranty that Canon will honor.  It may have been taken from a kit camera which is not authorized by Canon, or it could be a refurb.

I'd call Canon with the serial number and ask.  Having a warranty card means nothing.

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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 01:11:28 AM »
yeah my zoom ring feels stiffer than my 70-200 f2.8 too I would say its to do with the extending nature of it

and as for weather sealing, dont get the lens and camera covered in iron ore it will get in side, its so fine. cost me $170 for the canon tech to pull it down and clean it all out from inside the focus ring :P

something I was wondering is the sparkles at narrow apperture have a unique shape to them on this lens, my other lenses seem to be very pointy where as this one the flare out at the ends and look different? anyone else noticed this or is my lens strange.

I'll try post up a pic to demonstrate
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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 01:16:02 AM »
see the strange sparkles?
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 03:48:12 AM »
see the strange sparkles?

The white mini sparkles are because of a long exposure, it is sensor related, not lens. It is normal for a sensor to have blown pixels (red, green, blue, or a composite like white) on long exposures ( +- > 20 seconds), how longer open, how more pixels are concerned.

If you have the same thing on a short exposure ( < 2 seconds), then it can be an issue, and you can take contact with your canon dealer for a possible repair


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Re: EF 24-105 F4L - Normal or Issue
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 03:50:20 AM »
see the strange sparkles?
Ok nvmd if your were talking about flare =)

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 03:50:20 AM »