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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 01:07:06 PM »
Just curious:

I don't own a 24-70 lens. But what is it that you really want will be improved (if not IS) on the new 24-70 MKII that is worth upgrading and pay more than the new price for the current 24-70?
The barrel distortion is relatively severe on the current incarnation, so that could be fixed. There can always be faster AF, corner sharpness, and vignetting control.

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 01:07:06 PM »

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2011, 01:11:12 PM »
Just curious:

I don't own a 24-70 lens. But what is it that you really want will be improved on the new 24-70 MKII that is worth upgrading and pay more than the new price for the current 24-70?

That is a dangerous question that could devolve this whole posting to a flame war like the one on 7D and ISO vs MP themes. So lets not wander into it...

Here is a bandaid and fig leaf that is not very conclusive on purpose but hopefully will not evoke too much emotion on any one side:

24-70 is a deservedly much accalaimed zoom lens. Its advantages are many including the f/2.8, the highly used general zoom range, and build quality just to name a few.  Some users have noted it is a great lens but could be improved to be a superb lens ;)

I wouldn't expect much more than what happened between 16-35 version I and II. No IS there either.

Again, I hope this does not devolve into I love my 24-70 as is flame war. :D

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2011, 01:16:42 PM »
Yeah on the 35 1.4 II  8).  This is the next lens on my list.   Hope it has weather sealing!

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2011, 01:17:27 PM »
OK! Now the question would be to ask, will the price of the current 24-70 drop?  Will it be on the day Canon announces the lens, or the day of release?

Canon has the rebate in place on the 24-70 for $1209 good thru 1/9/2012….. I wonder, any idea everybody?
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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2011, 01:24:30 PM »
Got 35mm 1.4 in May at it already paid for itself.  So, if you need one now - get it! The price after rebate is great.

Since there is also a rebate on 24-70, it is possible that both will be renewed soon.

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2011, 01:53:11 PM »
"What could they possibly upgrade"

LOOOL

Go out with a 24 1,4 mk I and II and the 70-200 2,8 IS mk I and II and you don't need to wonder about things like that. Jeez....

Or these, TS 24 I and II, 14 I and II. Why would Canon release an identical lens and slap a mkII on it?!  :P
« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 02:02:13 PM by Viggo »
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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2011, 02:06:27 PM »
What with a 200-400 AND a mark2 version of the 28-70, 2012 is likely to be a very expensive year for me. Thats on top of the 5D2 I've only just bought!

I'm another who would have preferred  it to come with IS I must admit. 

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2011, 02:06:27 PM »

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2011, 02:21:24 PM »
The 35L doesn't have much scope for improvement?

I can't see the benefit of IS in a 24-70 as it'll only add weight to a commonly used lens that doesn't require it.
I think for shooting people I never usually go slower than 1/60 otherwise folks blur.

With that in mind should I need to go slower I use a prime.

Edit, if anything a fast prime with IS would be really interesting for low light photography without a tripod.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 02:24:23 PM by wockawocka »
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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2011, 03:06:26 PM »
I can totally understand Canon’s take on no IS for the 24-70 II, though this is a rumor at this point.

Why?

The primary reason could well be because such a lens, with IS in the general zoom range has the potential to cut into a number of their revenue lines …

The current 24-70L f/2.8  targets a specific consumer rung, who are willing to pay a good amount but not the bank. They are willing to choose a contracted focal range but a faster f/2.8 lens provided the pricing is not way too high. We are not talking about the well-heeled pros with all the L-primes in this range and beyond. The “differential” contender with longer focal range would be 24-105L, a peg down in the marketing line (I am not inviting a flame war here on merits of these two lenses, just where they fall in the Canon product line and pricing) which continues to be  a good seller for Canon.

If pricing on 24-70 version II is low enough to tread this fine line, with the faster f/2.8,and IS, it could cut severely into the 24-105L f/4 line even with the longer focal range enticement. Hell, it may even cut into the sales of some of the much older non-L primes which are still on sale from Canon. No one wants to cut their own legs shorter.

Marketing and where to put a high-quality fast IS zoom in the price/consumer range may be the deciding factor here. They may do a 70-200 f/4 trick on us and release an IS and non-IS version, but that’s probably too hopeful.

Cynical, but a smart Canon &@#@@!!!

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2011, 03:07:26 PM »
newbie question

what is the difference between an IS and non IS image? can anyone show me an example?
if your shutter speed is fast enough, does IS even matter?

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2011, 03:16:13 PM »
Darn!  I just bought a 35 1.4L.  I wonder if I should return it since I was planning to get the new one when it came out even if it was more expensive... ???

That depends.  Do you need it now?  You can't take a picture with a lens that might get announced next month and take 3-6 additional months (or more) to arrive.

Normally do we know how long it takes between lens announcement and availability?  Are we suggesting these new lenses might not be available before June 2012?  Does anyone has historical data that could hint at how long between announcement and "in store"?

It's usually around 3 months, but like the investment commercials say: 'past performance is no guarantee of future results.' ;)  Hopefully, the 3 most recent "L" lenses are not a bellwether for the next crop, as they have been on an odyssey...

Last August, Canon announced the 8-15mm f/4L fisheye lens, along with the 300mm f/2.8L IS II and 400 f/2.8L IS II telephoto lenses, all with anticipated releases in January 2011.  Come November 2010, the release dates got pushed back to March 2011 due to problems with their new manufacturing plant.  Then insert 2 natural and 1 nuclear disasters and the 8-15mm lens wasn't available until July.  The 300mm is available, though inventories aren't great, while the 400mm is still listed as "New Item, Available for pre-order" at B&H.

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2011, 03:33:33 PM »
what is the difference between an IS and non IS image? can anyone show me an example?
if your shutter speed is fast enough, does IS even matter?
Sure.  If it's fast enough.
But if you're in a situation where you're forced to use a shutter speed that's just barely fast enough, the IS can help you nail what would have been an otherwise blurry shot from camera shake.  In a case like the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM , you're earning up to four stops.  Massive difference.  Especially at that length.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 03:35:48 PM by Ryusui »

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2011, 04:04:12 PM »
Just a few short days ago I started a thread after meeting a couple of Canon reps, they were emphatic that the 24 - 70mm f/2.8L would not have IS if it's launched in the next few days then it would be highly likely that they'd been briefed about it.

The reasons for no IS were several, but primarily image quality, although cost size & weight, and the fact that Nikon didn't include IS in their 24 - 70mm revamp, plus the 24 - 105mm f/4 IS L.  According to them too many issues with distortion purple  fringing and sharpness in a lens which is intended to be the best zoom for IQ available.

If you need a lens with IS buy the 24 - 105mm !

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2011, 04:04:12 PM »

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2011, 04:46:07 PM »
I can't believe this. It was just last week that I decided to sell my 24-105 f4 and yesterday I bought the 24-70 f2.8.
After reading this rumor here today I wonder if I should return it.
Maybe the II edition will be only slightly more expensive...
Also I'm afraid that the price of the I edition will drop dramatically once the II edition is released.

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2011, 05:22:34 PM »
If you need a lens with IS buy the 24 - 105mm !
It's not f2.8! Jeez. What's wrong with wanting an 2.8 IS Zoom for the 5D2 that's equivalent to the 17-55 for the crop? Seriously, this is not a trivial matter. Some of us want to hand hold in lowish light.

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Re: EF 35 f/1.4L II & EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on January 3, 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2011, 05:22:34 PM »