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Re: Nikon D4 Specs Revealed? 1D X Has Competition.
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2011, 08:39:21 PM »
Well now its getting interesting.  While this shows the 1DX is bang on overall on its spec for that market segment, it is unfortunate at least on paper for now that Nikon might keep their low light king title with a full stop higher in native ISO.  Of course until we see raw file we wont know for sure, but the D4 might end up with a small edge over the 1DX when it come to low light...

This also help clarify the roadmap for the 5D III hopefully?!?
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2011, 08:39:21 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2011, 08:43:42 PM »
at such high iso i doubt there will be a whole lot of difference between the 2 to be honest, I would not expect great things from iso 100,000. I think we might see usability of images hit the ceiling in the 25k range
but noise tollerance is such a subjective thing as has been previously discussed. I think it will be spec bragging rights and thats about it.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2011, 08:48:40 PM »
at such high iso i doubt there will be a whole lot of difference between the 2 to be honest, I would expect great things from iso 100,000. I think we might see usability of images hit the ceiling in the 25k range
but noise tollerance is such a subjective thing as has been previously discussed. I think it will be spec bragging rights and thats about it.

I agree with you on the 25k range.  The point for me will not be so much how high each machine goes in terms of ISO (like 51k versus 102k) but how clean they each are at ISO 12,800 and ISO 25,600.  Being somewhat limited to a usable ISO 3200 currently with my 5D, hell a clean ISO 12k or 25k seem like heaven!  I really hope this new sensor Canon has delivers !
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2011, 11:39:07 PM »
Japanese companies have been really complacent in recent years.  Canon and Nintendo are the worst offenders, I think.
Are we talking post-Wii or pre-Wii?  'cuz, if you remember, at the time it was the big N doing the unthinkable launching a system based around a "gimmick" and not asking consumers to shell out huge money for a system based on its graphics.  Then there's the DS...and now the 3DS...if anybody was complacent in that market, design-wise, it was Sony.  In any case, continuity is often a good thing (no Wii for me, though - no GameCube backwards-compatibility, which made little sense from a strategic positioning POV, though I think their new core disallowed it).

And on Nikon's side:  "If we just release a camera with a Sony sensor / a sensor 2MP less than Canon, we will be crowned the "High ISO kings!"

To be sure, the D90 came first with DSLR video, but Canon's been out there trying to solidify their core competency by designing and producing their own sensors.  This has been, and remains, a shaky part of Nikon's business model (though not as bad as all the MF manufacturers who were apparently reliant on Kodak sensors).

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2011, 12:30:23 AM »
Doesn't look like competition at all.....

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2011, 01:59:42 AM »
Well if 9 crosstype f8 AF is true. Canon is in for a world of hurt.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2011, 04:15:17 AM »
The point for me will not be so much how high each machine goes in terms of ISO (like 51k versus 102k) but how clean they each are at ISO 12,800 and ISO 25,600.  Being somewhat limited to a usable ISO 3200 currently with my 5D, hell a clean ISO 12k or 25k seem like heaven!  I really hope this new sensor Canon has delivers!

Why? It has been repeated several times, including on the forum here, that when you look through Canon's marketing smoke screen (which compares JPEG noise performance with the smaller-sensor 1D4) we can expect the 1DX sensor and circuitry to have about a 1/2 EV improvement in RAW noise performance over the 5D2.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2011, 04:15:17 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2011, 04:36:14 AM »
clean ISO 12k or 25k seem like heaven!

quite temporary heaven though  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2011, 05:20:51 AM »
If these cameras (like 1DX and D4) are designed for Olympics, I wonder which sports they are planning to shoot at 51K ISO and higher?  :o

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2011, 05:41:54 AM »
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If these cameras (like 1DX and D4) are designed for Olympics, I wonder which sports they are planning to shoot at 51K ISO and higher?  :o

especially with their superfast primes  :P

but they will appreciate the new AF for sure (except the absence of F8)

Btw I wonder how people did action and wildlife photography before AF..
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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2011, 06:08:01 AM »
If these cameras (like 1DX and D4) are designed for Olympics, I wonder which sports they are planning to shoot at 51K ISO and higher?  :o

I'd imaging they would only use 51K if absolutely necessary. Clean 12,800 ISO would be useful for shooting gymnastics with a zoom lens. Indoors, the lighting often isn't the best and for events like vault a shutter speed of 1/800 sec. is pretty much a bare minimum to freeze the motion adequately. I've definitely had underexposed vault photos at 1/800 sec, f/2.8, ISO 6400 before.

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Re: Nikon D4 Specs Revealed? 1D X Has Competition.
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2011, 07:10:25 AM »
A direct 1DX competitor.
So nikon are going for:-
D4 - Low MP, big FPS, High ISO
D800 - High MP, low FPS, average ISO.

So the 5DMKIII will be high MP to compete?
And new canon lenses to resolve detail at these higher MP's ?
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2011, 09:48:05 AM »
Darn, if the clean HDMI is true I'll have to jump ship unless if Canon puts it in the 5D Mark III.  Please Canon, give us clean HDMI output!

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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2011, 10:33:18 AM »
The focus points working down to f/8 caught my eye and lead me to believe this is fake.  That's one of the few gripes about the 1DX.  Seems highly unlikely that Nikon just happens to add 9 of them as Canon eliminates this capability.

Not only that, but Nikon has *never* published their AF specs like that before (f/8 & f/5.6-sensitive AF sensors are only found in Canon spec sheets), in the same way they have never published very detailed white papers like Canon routinely does for every new model they release. This rumor is just Noink fanboi wishful thinking BS. Heck, the D800 hasn't even been announced yet and they are already inventing stuff about the D4.  :P
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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2011, 10:44:06 AM »
Not only that, but Nikon has *never* published their AF specs like that before (f/8 & f/5.6-sensitive AF sensors are only found in Canon spec sheets), in the same way they have never published very detailed white papers like Canon routinely does for every new model they release. This rumor is just Noink fanboi wishful thinking BS. Heck, the D800 hasn't even been announced yet and they are already inventing stuff about the D4.  :P
I think you're absolutely right

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