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KeithR

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2011, 07:15:16 AM »
Why does the A77 sensor need improving? It is better than any Canon APS-C sensor.
Oh, please! the A77's sensor is a piece of crap, and if my 7D wasn't eminently able to stomp all over it - and it is - I'd throw my camera in the river.

You clearly haven't done any side-by-side testing of A77 files against the Canon sensor, or you couldn't possibly believe what you wrote.

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2011, 07:15:16 AM »

KeithR

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2011, 07:19:11 AM »
Or are we all stupid enough to buy anything that Canon trots out just because it has the name Canon on it?
Based on the available evidence you might be, but I buy Canon gear because it's the best all-round solution by far for my photographic needs...

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2011, 07:26:12 AM »
Why does the A77 sensor need improving? It is better than any Canon APS-C sensor.
Oh, please! the A77's sensor is a piece of crap, and if my 7D wasn't eminently able to stomp all over it - and it is - I'd throw my camera in the river.

You clearly haven't done any side-by-side testing of A77 files against the Canon sensor, or you couldn't possibly believe what you wrote.

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2011, 08:01:43 AM »
If D800 rumors are true and it will be 36mp, I can't see canon releasing a second 18mpx body as the only option. But I can see it being two different cameras as it has been suggested many times before.

If they announce a 18mpx 5DmkIII, and D800 is announced as 36mpx, canon will lose lot of sales. (not necessariliy jumping ship, but people simply won't buy it).

Only way a 18mpx ff camera will be announced first is with a new name. I can see a new body, say 6D, being announced as a ff 18mpx, high iso, great af FF camera priced at or under $2000. This way, people can still think that a 5D with a higher mpx may be coming as well.

Otherwise, I think next ff camera from canon will be a high mpx camera, call it 5dmkIII or 3D, and it will be priced $3000 minimum.

There is easily enough gap between 7D and 1DX to fit 2 ff cameras. Having a $2k ff camera will be great for marketing, attracting newcomers and stealing customers from likes of sony.

And lets be honest, 18mpx FF camera will be more than enough for your average prosumer... even for landscapes. If you are really dedicated and want the highest mpx you can get, then you wouldn't mind investing a bit more and going for a higher mpx alternative at around $3k...

So to summarise, I think there are enough room for 2 FF cameras - one cheaper more general purpose, and one more specialised and more expensive.

And just to remind again, I am basing all this to the fact that D800 will be high megapixel.



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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2011, 08:21:25 AM »
So to summarise, I think there are enough room for 2 FF cameras - one cheaper more general purpose, and one more specialised and more expensive.
I agree, a relaively cheap FF (called 6d?) would definitelly have market.. I was considering, but I've invested too much in efs. Anyway next year a new body for me, hoping for a good 650d, I will not wait one more year (like for the 70d).
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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2011, 09:34:54 AM »
I am not sure the demand will be as big. 

You a lot of people are in the bigger is better category, but say 36 MP versus 21MP is 1.7x greater.  That means your 32GB card you are used to shooting is now a 19GB card for all intent and purposes.

Will the Nikon allow us to have multiple levels of Raw?  i.e. an 18MP Raw and a 36MP Raw.

I can see a lot of people who will need that high of resolution, but I think for many that size might start to get too cumbersome. 

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2011, 12:30:46 PM »
You understand that this camera will never be released until I buy the current 5D MarkII

Soooo...  If you ever want to see this camera, you can all pitch in and pick me up the current 5D Mark II...  I guarantee that it will come out the day after I receive the Mark II...
« Last Edit: December 15, 2011, 12:57:59 PM by seacritter »

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2011, 12:30:46 PM »

Wahoowa

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2011, 01:59:06 PM »
My ambition is really low. :)

My wish list for 5D3:

- Improved & cleaner sensor at high ISO (1+ stop improvement over 5D2)
- 19 cross-type AF points,
- weather seal,
- LP-E6 battery pack (If they update it, just make it compatible with 7D/60D and vice versa.), and
- SD/CF slots,
- f-stop adjustable in Av mode for video (just like 5D2, whereas 7D/60D just have either full auto or full manual mode).

If 5D3 comes out with that for $2,600-$2,700, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. :)

- Would like to see ISO raised by 2+
- AF agreed
- Sealing agreed
- Battery AND Body the same/similar so we can still use the BG-E6 also would be nice. Otherwise I'm just moving all my LP-E6 batteries over to my old 60D.
- Would like to keep the CF card format, One of the cut downs from the 1DX could be single not Dual CF, so that could work.
- Disagree, Learn to use manual mode  :P

It's not like I don't know how to do video in manual mode. But, it's just like still, much of the time it's convenient to use Av mode. Also, in video mode, it's not like we can adjust exposure conveniently without shaking the camera.

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2011, 02:35:29 PM »
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And I dont think the Mark III will canabolize the 1DX.  If you have $6800 to spend on a camera, you are way beyond the Mark III announcement...


For starters, the 5D3 isn't going to have builtin gigabit ethernet. At the London Olympics, if you're not connected via ethernet to your editors, you can forget about having your picture on the front page or in the news.

At none of the pro sporting events that I've been at have I ever seen anything less than a 1D level camera being used by registered photographers for the event. And there is very good reason for that. So I call your argument about business "downsizing" its camera purchasing "baloney."

Thats the best Answer i've found to answer the question about cannablizing the 1Dx market.

I hope most people realize the 5D3 and 1Dx aren't in the same market to begin with. There is some overlap.. yes.. but the 1Dx is gives you 3 times the capabilitiy to "capture the moment" with Higher FPS and get it market with data transfer capabilities. Of all the cameras that would eat into the 1Dx market, the 7D2 would be the one canon should worry about eating 1Dx market share, the lack of FF will probably keep that separartion clear.

I would think the 5D3 would be marketed to sell in mass quantity in an attempt by canon to overtyake the FF market. For this some features will be scaled back and it seems logical that canon would have a slim profit margin for this cam. I expect a $2499 price point with 2 digic 5's an 18 MP sensor, greatly improved ISO (for video perfromance mainly) and slight improvement in AF.
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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2011, 02:43:54 PM »
I would think the 5D3 would be marketed to sell in mass quantity in an attempt by canon to overtyake the FF market. For this some features will be scaled back and it seems logical that canon would have a slim profit margin for this cam. I expect a $2499 price point with 2 digic 5's an 18 MP sensor, greatly improved ISO (for video perfromance mainly) and slight improvement in AF.

I hope this cam will materialize. Seems about perfect to me. Even if the price tag is more towards 3k. 18 MP and fine ISO's. That's all my photography needs.
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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2011, 03:03:51 PM »
I can now state with confidence the 5D3, whatever it will be, will be out very soon. How? Because I just put in an order for the 5D2...
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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2011, 04:39:37 PM »
Well, I dont think Canon will announce both of them at the same time. I bet on 5D Mk III announced around summer time and 7D Mk II announced in september (if it will be).

I think that 5D Mk III wont be announced in January - before 1D-X becomes available. Depends of course on specs but it doesnt make much sense for me. They need to roll out 1 pro camera and see the numbers and response to know when they should pop out with new "affordable" FF - even if this is case when 5D Mk III will be 30+ Mpx and worse AF from 1D-X. They need to figure out with which specs (especially sensor) to bail out into production. Also they still have good numbers on current 5D Mk II so there is no rush for them. Maybe Nikon will change the game a bit with D700 successor but there is no info on that body.

Right, the announcement of 5D Mk III will come more than ½year after 1D-X is available. I hope, 5D Mk III is 30+ Mpx with High ISO at 20Mpx "low resolution" images.

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2011, 04:50:51 PM »
The modern sensors have more than 100 line pairs per mm, why don't we see any MTF data reflecting the resolution of the sensors? Why there is no vigentting information from Canon? Does Canon think we are not able to read technical data? It's unbeleavable!

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2011, 04:50:51 PM »

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2011, 05:04:31 PM »
You understand that this camera will never be released until I buy the current 5D MarkII

Soooo...  If you ever want to see this camera, you can all pitch in and pick me up the current 5D Mark II...  I guarantee that it will come out the day after I receive the Mark II...

Hahahhahahaahah.  I'll toss in three bucks for that effort, and I believe it too.

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2011, 05:07:58 PM »
Does anyone have a historical perspective of previous launches/announcements around Photokina lens & specifically camera wise?

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Re: 7D2, 5D3 and Megapixel Insights
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2011, 05:07:58 PM »