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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2011, 09:16:35 AM »
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Nikon D4 will start shipping at the end of January 2012! Of course availability will be limited for months if not years. I am still trying to confirm/verify this info but if that's the case, I can see that Nikon wants to get their top of the line DSLR available before the Canon 1Dx which will start shipping in March of 2012.

So announcement after 1DX, release before 1DX, but to limited availability, and a slow ramp up.

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2011, 09:57:03 AM »
Does the release of either D4, or especially, a higher MP D800 force Canon's hand to move up their next body schedule or most your bets are still on September and after cycle?

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2011, 11:40:10 AM »
Does the release of either D4, or especially, a higher MP D800 force Canon's hand to move up their next body schedule or most your bets are still on September and after cycle?

I think it depends on a few things.  First it depends if Canon is actually ready for the 5D III launch and are only waiting for the right timing or are they still finalizing the spec list and as such still have a couple of months development once they do?  As a potential buyer I sure hope anything Nikon does puts pressure on Canon.

Then again, it also depends if they feel the D800 will really hurt their sale.  For example if the D800 ISO noise is not better then the current 5D mkII (as was posted on Nikon Rumor site) and if the retail price in somewhere in the $4,000 range like it was rumored, does it really compete with a $2k-$2.5k 5D mkII?  No sure...

So depending on the positioning and the market segment Canon executive beleive the Nikon D800 will hit its early release may not pressure Canon to change their timetable that much.

All this is highly speculative of course!
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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2011, 11:50:24 AM »
sorry to change subject guys but...

on nikon rumors they have made a correction on the D4... its iso is 100-12800 native and expandable to 204,000

with the 1Dx native at 51200 is this really the nikon killer they talked about :-)

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2011, 12:43:54 PM »
on nikon rumors they have made a correction on the D4... its iso is 100-12800 native and expandable to 204,000

with the 1Dx native at 51200 is this really the nikon killer they talked about :-)

Side note, for the moment  I am discounting ISO crops he had posted for "36MP"  D800 as dubious and/or from pre-production testers, I somehow don't think Nikon will release that sort of substandard ISO product.

His correction regarding D4 ISO does little to change the fact that Nikon models currently available in the market are already a few steps ahead of comparable Canon's models in ISO performance, so Nikon can sit pretty and watch what Canon offers.

The problem is if D800 delivers "relatively" comparable ISO and also ups the MP race...Canon will have to really deliver in that case.
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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2011, 12:56:33 PM »
The problem is if D800 delivers "relatively" comparable ISO and also ups the MP race...Canon will have to really deliver in that case.

I agree, however pricing will play an important role here too.  If the D800 is twice the reatil price of the 5D mkII, then Canon strategy might be to launch a brand new body to compate in this high MP segemtn which is not necessarily the 5D III.  If however the D800 pricing is comparable to the 5D II then Canon will be in trouble and will need to react quickly with a 5D III...  Positioning and pricing will play out importantly in all this I think...
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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2011, 01:07:00 PM »
Canon's 5D MK III is all set, and Canon knows what the Nikon d800 will be.  The only question in my mind, is will Canon resist the temptation to pile on MP, or do something more modest.  Those samples of D800 images at higher ISO's look horrible, hopefully, they were from a prototype and will be much better for a released product.  Right now, Nikon fans are really screaming on the Nikon Forums.

Its always possible that the images were planted, just to see what the response was, and that a backup plan is in place.

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2011, 01:07:00 PM »

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2011, 01:33:53 PM »
Canon's 5D MK III is all set, and Canon knows what the Nikon d800 will be.  The only question in my mind, is will Canon resist the temptation to pile on MP, or do something more modest.  Those samples of D800 images at higher ISO's look horrible, hopefully, they were from a prototype and will be much better for a released product.  Right now, Nikon fans are really screaming on the Nikon Forums.

Maybe the D800 isn't aimed at the Nikon fans, but at the Canon fans (there are more Canon cameras...) who have bought the 5D2 over the D700, meaning that more customers value more MP than more IQ...

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Its always possible that the images were planted, just to see what the response was, and that a backup plan is in place.

You mean that the leak of the images is deliberate for lulling others (like Canon) into believing the upcoming D800 IQ will be worse than it really is?

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2011, 01:51:10 PM »
when you look at the LR dialog on nikon rumors you will see that the text "NIKON D800" does not line up with the "NIKON" text above it (it´s shifted about 2 PIXELS). that´s fake if you ask me... photoshoped.

with my cameras and LR 3.6 the text from make/model is lined up perfectly in LR.

i would bet 100 euros it is faked.






my LR:



i could be wrong.. sure... but i think im not.
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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2011, 02:20:16 PM »
It does seem odd that partial file would be made available for the D800 when for example no one as seen files fromt he 1DX so far and we will not before the launch anyway.  I would think that Nikon would manage this carefully and am with you "Canon-F1" on this one it does seem strange.

If they are real, then it does not look like the D800 will beat the 5D II for ISO performance anyway...!
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2011, 02:40:07 PM »
Maybe the D800 isn't aimed at the Nikon fans, but at the Canon fans (there are more Canon cameras...) who have bought the 5D2 over the D700, meaning that more customers value more MP than more IQ...

That would be both assuming that the D800 images are not fakes (I'm with Canon-F1 here, I think they are totally fake), and that increasing MP means degrading IQ. That isn't necessarily the case, as despite the complaints to the contrary, comparing my far higher MP 7D with the 450D, IQ on the 7D from a preserved detail perspective is WAY higher than it is on the 450D. Its ever so slightly noisier at 100% ISO100 crops, but the more megapixels certainly capture more detail and maintain detail sharpness better than a lower resolution sensor could even hope to capture in the first place.

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2011, 02:52:18 PM »
when you look at the LR dialog on nikon rumors you will see that the text "NIKON D800" does not line up with the "NIKON" text above it (it´s shifted about 2 PIXELS). that´s fake if you ask me... photoshoped.

with my cameras and LR 3.6 the text from make/model is lined up perfectly in LR.

i would bet 100 euros it is faked.






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i could be wrong.. sure... but i think im not.

What is happening is that NIKON CORPORATION needed to be made smaller to fit in the dialog box, while "Canon EOS" was shorter, hence no need to shorten.

So, no fake. Just LR dialog adjusting the font sizes.

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2011, 03:30:34 PM »
So, no fake. Just LR dialog adjusting the font sizes.

sure would be possible.... but my LR is not adjusting the fontsize.
and it sure does not adjusting fontsize for only one line of the menu. 
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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2011, 03:33:27 PM »
So, no fake. Just LR dialog adjusting the font sizes.

sure would be possible.... but my LR is not adjusting the fontsize.

Could you check how NIKON CORPORATION would appear in your LR? Make the dialog narrower, as well.

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Re: What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2011, 03:36:11 PM »
Could you check how NIKON CORPORATION would appear in your LR? Make the dialog narrower, as well.

nope...it does not change fontsize as i wrote.
when i make the dialog as narrow as it gets then all letters that do not fit are replaced with "..."



and it makes no difference in english:



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