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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2015, 10:28:54 PM »
I have updated the gallery with a few photos from the past couple of days. Hopefully it's representational of the architectural and landscape capabilities of the lens.

http://www.paramsandhu.com/Galleries/Blog/Canon-EF-1124mm-f4L-USM-Review/n-pDLvbK/

Thanks!  Some very nice shots.

This is far from a fisheye, but those who are saying "almost no distortion" are looking at different photos.  I think you, param, are controlling it well with proper framing, but other photographers are showing some uGly perSpeCtiVes.

I have seen 16 35's get wonky perspective Would expect the same is more than possible with this lens. The lack of  significant curved distortion that you get with some wides and fisheyes is huge.

+1 on the nice shots
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2015, 10:28:54 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2015, 08:35:33 AM »
I've added a few more pics to http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/lenses/ef_11-24_f4l.html

They look at distortion (the real sort, not just the effect of a wide rectilinear projection ;-) ) and flare.

Also the problem that sometimes comes as a surprise to landscape photographers not used to wide views when you move the horizon down - trees leaning inwards...

I'm not selling lenses, so I'm always going to include examples of what can go wrong if you're not careful, in any review. I've no interest in buying into the myth that just getting the latest wonderful new lens will massively improve your photos - that takes hard work and skill ;-)

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2015, 09:45:43 AM »
Well hello, Param, from a fellow St. Louisan. Yep, the first place I would go with this lens would be the Cathedral  :0   Very nice shots, in fact your gallery has a lot of good images.

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2015, 09:50:16 AM »
I've added a few more pics to http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/lenses/ef_11-24_f4l.html

They look at distortion (the real sort, not just the effect of a wide rectilinear projection ;-) ) and flare.

Also the problem that sometimes comes as a surprise to landscape photographers not used to wide views when you move the horizon down - trees leaning inwards...

I'm not selling lenses, so I'm always going to include examples of what can go wrong if you're not careful, in any review. I've no interest in buying into the myth that just getting the latest wonderful new lens will massively improve your photos - that takes hard work and skill ;-)

I think this 11-24 f/4L is a stunning technical achievement, but it is not one I could justify in my kit due to the expense and the comparative quality of the 16-35 f/4L for similar types of photography at a much lower price point.  Of course, if you need 11-15mm often enough that it is worth the cost, size, weight, loss of front filters, loss of IS, loss of 25mm-35mm, YMMV :)

Personally I'd rather round out 8-15mm with a true fisheye and leave rectilinear to 16mm+.
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2015, 10:09:50 AM »
I received mine yesterday, but didn't get a chance to play with it a whole lot.  As expected, the lens is big, and moreso, quite heavy.  The front element is much more protected that I had expected and makes the TS-E 17 look like a foolish design.  The lens cap is somewhat odd, and as Keith said, much lighter than expected.  Mine doesn't want to snap on evenly on both sides, but that might just be me needing to get used to it.  11mm is insanely wide as expected, and I appreciate Keith's distortion tests.  That seems to match what we're seeing in param's shots and is great news for architectural shots.  Unfortunately, this is also making me consider a geared head.

I thought it might be a less practical, but still viable replacement for the 16-35 f/4 IS, considering I have the 24-70 f/2.8 II, but after handling the 11-24, I'm not so sure.  The 16-35 is the perfect travel and walk around lens and 16-35mm range is really practical.  The 11-24 range reminds me of the Sigma 12-24 I used to own.  It's great for landscape and architecture, but the focal range is very limiting for other types of shooting.  24mm is still quite wide, whereas 35mm is a moderate focal length for general purpose work.

On the curved tree issue, when I was shooting at 12mm, I would either crop out the far sides, or get in close to the trees and use the curves to add to the perspective and drama of the shot.  I hope to get out and shoot over the next few days and I'll try to take a few shots to show what I mean about that.
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2015, 10:47:06 AM »
First few shots from this evening. All with 5D3 and at 11mm; way too much fun at 11mm to try anything else just yet. Will provide some writeup and first impressions tomorrow. Let me know if there are any questions I can answer.

http://www.paramsandhu.com/Galleries/Blog/Canon-EF-1124mm-f4L-USM-Review/n-pDLvbK/

see some serious CAs, but that can be fixed in post, right?

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2015, 11:06:38 AM »
First few shots from this evening. All with 5D3 and at 11mm; way too much fun at 11mm to try anything else just yet. Will provide some writeup and first impressions tomorrow. Let me know if there are any questions I can answer.

http://www.paramsandhu.com/Galleries/Blog/Canon-EF-1124mm-f4L-USM-Review/n-pDLvbK/

see some serious CAs, but that can be fixed in post, right?
Which shot? I don't see much CA at all in his photos.
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2015, 11:06:38 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2015, 11:51:03 AM »
I noticed that with the view at 11mm very similar to 3 stitched TS-E17 shots, a square crop of a view at 11mm could be very useful for some architecture, where movement might cause problems for stitching. On the 5Ds this square crop would still be 33MP...

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2015, 12:07:10 PM »
I received mine yesterday, but didn't get a chance to play with it a whole lot.  As expected, the lens is big, and moreso, quite heavy.  The front element is much more protected that I had expected and makes the TS-E 17 look like a foolish design.  The lens cap is somewhat odd, and as Keith said, much lighter than expected.  Mine doesn't want to snap on evenly on both sides, but that might just be me needing to get used to it.  11mm is insanely wide as expected, and I appreciate Keith's distortion tests.  That seems to match what we're seeing in param's shots and is great news for architectural shots.  Unfortunately, this is also making me consider a geared head.

I thought it might be a less practical, but still viable replacement for the 16-35 f/4 IS, considering I have the 24-70 f/2.8 II, but after handling the 11-24, I'm not so sure.  The 16-35 is the perfect travel and walk around lens and 16-35mm range is really practical.  The 11-24 range reminds me of the Sigma 12-24 I used to own.  It's great for landscape and architecture, but the focal range is very limiting for other types of shooting.  24mm is still quite wide, whereas 35mm is a moderate focal length for general purpose work.

On the curved tree issue, when I was shooting at 12mm, I would either crop out the far sides, or get in close to the trees and use the curves to add to the perspective and drama of the shot.  I hope to get out and shoot over the next few days and I'll try to take a few shots to show what I mean about that.

I don't think its really a replacement for the 16-35 f/4L per se, as that one lens covers the focal length 99% of landscape shots end up in.  For me I much more frequently would need 25-35mm for landscape than 11-15mm for landscape.  While the latter does have some unique effects that can be impressive for landscapes, practically I generally need to get closer than 24mm (due to environmental hazards) far, far more frequently than 16mm is not wide enough - and unless you are willing to carry two lenses on hikes/etc then you are stuck cropping with the 11-24mm in these cases.  And ND filtering becomes more complex with the 11-24 as well.

The 11-24mm is a beast and a technical stunner, I just do not think it is practical in any way for most given its costs and all the things you need to give up from the 16-35 f/4 to get 11-15mm.  But as usual in photography, if you need wider than 16mm frequently, then you need it :)  This is a niche pro lens for a pro that does 11-15mm photography frequently - if that does not define you I would say money spent wisely elsewhere.

And for the record, I ended up selling my 16-35mm f/2.8L II because I am using my newer 24L II when I need wide in events now - f/1.4 beats f/2.8 everytime for events.  I used the money to buy a 16-35mm f/4L IS for hikes, as it is smaller and more landscape-oriented with less PP needed than the f/2.8L II where I will be using it.  I did wait to see the 11-24L first, though, and decided I did not want it due to cost, lack of front filtering, size/weight and loss of 25-35mm.

Eventually I would like to get the 8-15mm fisheye as well...
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2015, 12:19:12 PM »
Ruined, that's a good way to put it and the hardest part about using 11-15mm in landscape work, is that you have to get very close to the foreground or have a stunning foreground without distractions in the outer frame.  In the Western U.S. and similar areas, this might not be a challenge, but for many of us, the 24-70 or 16-35 make a lot more sense.  When I had the 12-24, I found landscape opportunities far and few between, even when seeking them out. 

For architecture/real estate, it promises to be a real winner, though, and for some landscapes, and certain other types of work (editorial, fashion, etc.), it opens up a world of creativity.  Take a look at what Von Wong did with SmugMug using the Nikon 14-24 (at 14mm) or what Lindsay Adler does with the Sigma 12-24 (final photo) for some examples.  These types of shots take some or even a lot of planning, but they can give some remarkable results.
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2015, 01:14:30 PM »
I am an amateur still growing my lens collection, and to me this is a lens to rent. If I have a shot equivalent to 8mm on an APS-C and I want better rectilinear performance than my existing 8-16mm Sigma and 60D can give me, I am sure that Roger Cicala will have one to rent. I find that I just don't use the 8-16 Sigma much when compared with the 15-85 at 15mm. For full frame sky shots I have the bargain-basement Samyang 14. Leaning trees, telephone poles, etc can be a compositional issue. I may get the EF 16-35 f/4L for hiking, I am impressed when I hear people say they sold their Zeiss 21, which is a favorite lens of mine. My typical landscape kit is the Zeiss 21mm f/2.8, the Sigma Art 35mm f/1.4, and an old AIS Nikkor 50mm f/1.2 with adapter (focusing by live view), which is excellent at landscapes between f/4 and f/8.

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2015, 04:46:02 PM »
Ruined, that's a good way to put it and the hardest part about using 11-15mm in landscape work, is that you have to get very close to the foreground or have a stunning foreground without distractions in the outer frame.  In the Western U.S. and similar areas, this might not be a challenge, but for many of us, the 24-70 or 16-35 make a lot more sense.  When I had the 12-24, I found landscape opportunities far and few between, even when seeking them out. 

For architecture/real estate, it promises to be a real winner, though, and for some landscapes, and certain other types of work (editorial, fashion, etc.), it opens up a world of creativity.  Take a look at what Von Wong did with SmugMug using the Nikon 14-24 (at 14mm) or what Lindsay Adler does with the Sigma 12-24 (final photo) for some examples.  These types of shots take some or even a lot of planning, but they can give some remarkable results.

It is definitely true 11-15mm offer unique perspectives that 16mm+ do not.

The question is whether those perspectives are used frequently enough to justify $1800 additional cost over the 16-35 and some of the disadvantages of the 11-24, assuming one isn't going to buy both the 11-24 and 16-35.  If the latter is the case, then it just boils down to cost vs use.

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2015, 04:42:15 PM »
Okay, I'm going to do everyone who owns this lens a favor.  Here's a crappy 11mm shot.  It's overexposed, has flare, is somewhat overprocessed, and well, the subject matter says it all.  Now the air is cleared and no matter how bad your 11mm shot is, it will be better than this one ;D
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2015, 09:09:02 PM »
Okay, onto some others.  Nothing great, but horse eventing isn't exactly a place where you can get close to anything:

11mm f/8:


Alas, it zooms, so I did this at 20mm f/8:


And another, well composite of many others at 20mm, a little more creative:


Hopefully I'll have a chance to shoot more conventional stuff soon.
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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2015, 10:17:07 PM »
Okay, I'm going to do everyone who owns this lens a favor.  Here's a crappy 11mm shot.  It's overexposed, has flare, is somewhat overprocessed, and well, the subject matter says it all.  Now the air is cleared and no matter how bad your 11mm shot is, it will be better than this one ;D

mackguyver, that is truly a master piece for 11-24... ;D

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Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
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