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How many of you would....
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:00:40 PM »
Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?
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Re: How many of you would....
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 10:05:45 PM »
Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?
I would buy 1 in a heartbeat!except they may aswell keep the old 1D AF in it
call it a 6D
edit i would probably buy 2 :)
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Re: How many of you would....
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 10:13:51 PM »
I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.
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Re: How many of you would....
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 10:16:45 PM »
I would buy 1 in a heartbeat!except they may aswell keep the old 1D AF in it
call it a 6D
edit i would probably buy 2 :)

6D was the name I was thinking too.

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 10:23:03 PM »
I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.
its the small form factor thats the draw card,
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 02:06:13 AM »
I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.
its the small form factor thats the draw card,

Or the 1D4 features, AF, fps, f/8 focussing, 7D sensor, in an ungripped 7D body then?
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Re: How many of you would....
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 02:51:34 AM »
I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.
its the small form factor thats the draw card,

Or the 1D4 features, AF, fps, f/8 focussing, 7D sensor, in an ungripped 7D body then?
but the 1D4 APS-H sensor is so much better
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 03:30:15 AM »
I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.
its the small form factor thats the draw card,

Or the 1D4 features, AF, fps, f/8 focussing, 7D sensor, in an ungripped 7D body then?
but the 1D4 APS-H sensor is so much better
Yeah, it is, true. Methinks we need to put this to a vote:
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 1D4 gripped body, well sealed, 45pt AF with f/8, long-life shutter, 10fps and buffer to match, dual cardslots, 7-shot bracketing
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 7D-sized ungripped body, the rest as above.
16MP 1D4 aps-h sensor, 7D-sized & sealed body, 19pt af, no f/8, normal shutter life, 8fps and buffer, single cardslot and 3-shot bracket.

If all were the same price and they were the choices?
hmmm, maybe I'd have considered the third option instead of buying the 7D at the time I did. But as it stands as a 7D owner now, the first or second i'd consider now as upgrades to my 7D (if I'm going to upgrade sensors and lose ef-s capability, i'm just going to go straight to FF for landscapes and keep the 7D for birds)

can we make this into a poll?
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Re: How many of you would....
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 04:03:16 AM »
1. The 7D already has 8fps
2. The 7D already expands to 12800 ISO
3. The 7D's major draw: The 1.6x crop factor
4. The 7D's next major draw: 18 MP

The ASP-C is the poor man's teleconverter; loss of the 1.6x crop would make all my lenses shorter. Further compounding this problem would be the loss of resolution; unless they significantly increased the megapixel count, my crops would be weakened mightily. I use my 7D largely for bird photography; a 7Dmk II ASP-H would really not work as well for this. Further compounding the problem would be that my ef-s lenses would not work. And, yes, I have several... 

However, what Dr. Croubie mentioned:

18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 1D4 gripped body, well sealed, 45pt AF with f/8, long-life shutter, 10fps and buffer to match, dual cardslots, 7-shot bracketing

I would totally buy one of these...
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 05:28:34 AM »
Yeah, it is, true. Methinks we need to put this to a vote:
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 1D4 gripped body, well sealed, 45pt AF with f/8, long-life shutter, 10fps and buffer to match, dual cardslots, 7-shot bracketing
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 7D-sized ungripped body, the rest as above.
16MP 1D4 aps-h sensor, 7D-sized & sealed body, 19pt af, no f/8, normal shutter life, 8fps and buffer, single cardslot and 3-shot bracket.

If all were the same price and they were the choices?

If all were the same price;

1st camera is basicaly an APS-C 1DIV. Wildlife/day time sports shooters would LOVE this camera.

2nd one would be too expensive compared to the 1st one since it's the same camera but you don't get a grip with it and yet pay the same price. The 1st one would also have a much better battery, thanks to that integrated grip. So this camera would make the least sense of the 3 options.

3rd one is basicaly an APS-H 7D. Could become popular among low-light sports shooters who can't afford a 1Dx. But for the same price, many would go for the 1st one. It offers better AF, faster shooting, dual cards, grip and better battery = better value IMO.

So the question is; do you want an APS-C 1DIV or an APS-H 7D?

I would definitely go for an APS-C 1DIV.
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Re: How many of you would....
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 06:25:57 AM »
Howabout a 1D4 with single Digi5 and 8fps? Coming in at about $4000

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 08:17:30 AM »
With the technological advances of the last several years, I think Canon could easily build AP-H quality into an AP-C chip. I think this is what most of us want in the 7D2 anyway. Every one of my colleagues says the same thing: I love the 1.6 crop of the 7D but I need the IQ of the 1D4, and I say that too. I shoot the 1D4 at "important" events or when the skies are gray, but use the 7D when conditions are perfect and I am shooting for less important clients. Gotta save those shutter actuations....

So no, I would prefer a better AP-C for sports and an FF for the social photos. The AP-H going forward seems rather pointless to me.

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 08:23:12 AM »

So no, I would prefer a better AP-C for sports and an FF for the social photos. The AP-H going forward seems rather pointless to me.

I couldn't live with the messy bokeh that APS-C cameras give. That is not the sensor but the optics - neuro has explained this many times.

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 08:41:00 AM »
An ASP-C 1D4 would be great....

But an ASP-H 7D would be... unthinkable... unconscionable... unacceptable.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2011, 08:41:39 AM »
I would be very interested to get one, although for me I suspect the 1DX will be more than I can handle so I should be content with it for a whie!  What I like about your suggestion though is the use the APS-H sensor instead of the APS-C.  I like this idea for a 7D replacement or a new 1 series model.  Probably an expensive solution for Canon though to keep this sensor around, but very interesting indeed!
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