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Poll

To 4K or not to 4K?

Yes, I need 4K video for what I do (broadcast, cinema, documentaries etc)
18 (12.2%)
Yes, I want to dabble in 4K now that I have the means to do so.
16 (10.8%)
Yes, but only to watch movies and TV in 4K.
14 (9.5%)
Waiting to see what happens with 4K before I decide.
23 (15.5%)
No, 4K-off!
77 (52%)

Total Members Voted: 148

Voting closed: May 11, 2015, 11:53:04 AM

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Do you care about 4K?
« on: April 10, 2015, 11:53:04 AM »
With Canon's recent announcements of the C300II and XC10 I'm wondering just how many folk are interested in 4K.
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Do you care about 4K?
« on: April 10, 2015, 11:53:04 AM »

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2015, 01:05:04 PM »
I am not really interested in video.  But for those who are, I imagine it is pretty important.
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2015, 01:30:23 PM »
Just me, but never have and never will shoot video.

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2015, 01:36:46 PM »
Not sure but your question seems not being asked properly, in my opinion.
The majority of those who says that he doesn't need 4K doesn't even need video.
You might as well ask who needs video, and your result would be almost the same.

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2015, 02:05:17 PM »
I need video but don't really feel many of us need 4K yet.

I'd love raw video but 4K needs very fast download speeds or high compression for tv broadcasts, hefty and expensive hardware to edit and watch it on and mega amounts of storage.

To be honest, I'm happy with HD quality.

If and when we get 6k+ raw then i'd be interested as i can shoot video for clients and then take off the perfect frame for a stills image. But think we have a way to go yet ... 
« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 02:19:06 PM by Nitroman »

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2015, 02:09:50 PM »
No, not one iota.

4K is completely over hyped, who the hell wants to see a newscaster's pimple from 30ft'?

I can well understand it, and higher resolutions, for big budget productions where the visuals are a vital component of 'the experience' but 4K footage of your dog on the beach, you can keep it.

Two core reasoning's for 4K are pretty weak too. The first is, I need to shoot 4K so I can edit down to HD in post for cropping and stabilization purposes, is akin to saying I shoot with a 100mm lens so I can crop down to a 400mm fov for my wildlife shooting, or, I shoot medium format stills so I can edit down to 135 format! Can you imagine somebody suggesting that? If you use either of those reasoning's then you no longer have 4K quality anyway so what was the point of shooting it?

Linked to that is the comment "it is inevitable". Well the HD standard works pretty well for the screen size viewing distance coc calculations that are based on human vision, so most of the time we see very little difference. Sure in the store when you stand next to a 4K and an HD screen the difference is dramatic, and we have progressed towards larger screens and shorter viewing distances, but for most people when they get the 4K screen home and in their normal position the differences are not so big and often not actually viewable with the naked eye. Which puts 4K into perspective and gives higher resolution systems a very real limit to practical applications.

The second reasoning is the "I can take still images from my 4K footage", really? The 1DX was hyped with that capability and every still I saw from it looked pretty weak in comparison to an 18MP still from the same camera.

But it is a great way of selling media cards, HDD's, and computing power.........

« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 02:12:53 PM by privatebydesign »
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2015, 03:41:46 PM »
Eventually, it will become a standard

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2015, 04:53:34 PM »
Pull a frame from a properly done 4K video and you'll get an 8MP photo.  That 8MP photo is more than enough for an 8x10 or larger.  You don't miss the moment, or that smirk that was there and gone.

I LOVE 4K - I had a client put in an 84" JVC, everything is stunning.  The 50" screen size that is $1,000 is worth it - especially if you're showing images.

Here is a frame grab from a GH4 in 4K

from this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4dxR6SXXk
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2015, 05:02:49 PM »
while i see the benefits of 4k in that you can crop down and what not.  I feel that it is a just a way for the tech vendors to sell new TV's and cameras.  When we first saw TV sales stall out, 3D was all the rage.  Now that everyone knows 3D was a bust, 4k is the next "thing" to get you to replace that flat screen TV.  Until storage as we know it today is basically free ( i mean 10tb drive cost what a 500gb drive does today), i don't see 4k catching on even if a good compression format is standardized. 

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2015, 05:06:33 PM »
... who the hell wants to see a newscaster's pimple from 30ft'?.........

That's what we were saying when HD was taking over the airwaves....

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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2015, 05:21:47 PM »
I had burned out an hd dvc-pro Eng camera before a client ever actually asked me for it.

Broadcasters for most normal tv is just about catching up now in the uk.

My next camera will probably be 4k, but until I'm asked, or my present kit breaks, I'm in no rush. 
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2015, 05:24:40 PM »
... who the hell wants to see a newscaster's pimple from 30ft'?.........

That's what we were saying when HD was taking over the airwaves....

And many people were quite happy with 480 before 720 and 1080 HD were forced upon them. Besides, the HD and bigger screen acceptance makes some sense from the coc and regular eyesight perspective, however as I pointed out, in many cases that is just not true with 4K.

Pay more for something you can't see or hear is not a business model that has proven very robust for most high volume consumer entertainment companies.
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2015, 07:42:24 PM »
I would like to shoot my videos in 4K purely so I can pull better stills from the video and also future proof the media to some extent.

Plus, more and more people have monitors that can display 4k, so of course I want the media I create to look the best on whatever they use.

What concerns me is that 4K might already be passé. Apple has 5k monitors and Dell recently announced 8k monitors, and I would expect more companies to follow suit. I wonder whether we are only seeing the continued push of 4K because so many companies have invested in it.

Whether we like it or not, this push for higher and higher resolutions will continue, as will the need for faster and faster processing power and stupendous amounts of storage. That's just the way it is.
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2015, 08:07:00 PM »
Just me, but never have and never will shoot video.
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2015, 08:08:33 PM »
...What concerns me is that 4K might already be passé. Apple has 5k monitors and Dell recently announced 8k monitors, and I would expect more companies to follow suit. I wonder whether we are only seeing the continued push of 4K because so many companies have invested in it....


Personally I would think that one needs the proper hardware to display/edit before even shooting in 4K, otherwise what's the point? :)

And whether it is going to be outdated like 480 or 720 by 1080, only the the future will tell.
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Re: Do you care about 4K?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2015, 08:08:33 PM »