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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2015, 11:43:12 AM »
Hi Zv!
I would have described it that way:
From the emotional point of view we were HOPING for the 50/1.4 IS USM.
From the locigal point of view it was obvious that a 50/1.2L successor had to come first to avoid cannibalization.
And as this was not on the hrizon at that time the only logical conclusion could have been the 50/1.8.
Hope dies last. :(

It could go the other way - build up from the low end, so people buy each new 50mm in sequence instead of just getting the good one up front.  Still, the more concrete rumors for the recent 50 all showed a nifty fifty replacement, not a 50/1.4.  Hopefully that will come though.

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2015, 11:43:12 AM »

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2015, 11:49:48 AM »
Wouldn't make any business sense for Canon to do so.  Particularly when the M3 is not available in the U.S.  I would see it being plausible if it were a new kit lens and part of a new U.S. Offering for the M3... But not an 85mm.

God bless America! 

Yes you are big.  Yes you are important.  No I won't judge you all by the arrogance displayed above.  But there is a pretty damn big rest of the world out there.

Would it be churlish to point out that the M2, M3, EF-m 11-22 and 55-200 didn't get an American release either and that didn't seem to stop Canon?

I don't really see how the post was arrogant, he was just stating what is true.  The 11-22 was released in NA just not in the USA.

Were all the M variations released in the UK?  If the were great, God Save The Queen.

No, the M2 wasn't released in Europe or in the states... just goes to show, eh.

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2015, 11:54:48 AM »
Wouldn't make any business sense for Canon to do so.  Particularly when the M3 is not available in the U.S.  I would see it being plausible if it were a new kit lens and part of a new U.S. Offering for the M3... But not an 85mm.

God bless America! 

Yes you are big.  Yes you are important.  No I won't judge you all by the arrogance displayed above.  But there is a pretty damn big rest of the world out there.

Would it be churlish to point out that the M2, M3, EF-m 11-22 and 55-200 didn't get an American release either and that didn't seem to stop Canon?

I don't really see how the post was arrogant, he was just stating what is true.  The 11-22 was released in NA just not in the USA.

Were all the M variations released in the UK?  If the were great, God Save The Queen.

And I read it as a little bit arrogant, as if a conumer product can't succeed unless the yanks buy it.  Maybe I've just had too many years of similar cultural imperialism, maybe I've been  slightly myopic in my own lazy steroetyping, it just scanned like 'America is the be all and end all'.
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2015, 01:22:44 PM »
Wouldn't make any business sense for Canon to do so.  Particularly when the M3 is not available in the U.S.  I would see it being plausible if it were a new kit lens and part of a new U.S. Offering for the M3... But not an 85mm.

I was thinking the same thing on the M3 front. But at the same time, the idea of a new EF-M lens does give hope that behind the scenes EOS M is starting to get some love and with any luck, we'd see any new lenses debut with an announcement that Canon USA is going to carry the M3.

It seems at this point that canon does not want to spend the $$$ to get USA repair facilities stocked and trained on the M line.  It's not just about introducing a new product or lens, there are costs associated with that in any country and USA apparently doesn't have the interest or sales to support such an effort. 

To make that corporate decision means that in general M sales are not nearly as good as other products they sell and that alone is one good reason for not seeing new accessory and lens developments on a grand scale.  Canon will put their R&D $$$ where they can get the most ROI.

....and to be clear it's not about arrogance.  It's about demographics and where you can sell the most product.  Let's face it USA is the biggest consumer of all countries in the world and if Canon decides not to offer a product there means it's likely not selling well and they are trying to find the feature sweet spot that will kick off something.

And I did buy the M3 from Hong Kong.  I think it's a great camera...won't replace my 5d3 or 7d2 ever.  Both of those dslrs have their purpose...just as the M does.

I think you might have me confused with someone else? I never said anything about it not being a decision based on sound business principals or anything about arrogance. My point was more of a "if you build it they will buy it" point. A few more lenses and we have a nice little mirrorless kit that has some real value and appeal to a wider audience.

With that said, I'll bite a little bit. Canon can never know for sure until they actually try to sell it. They can do market research, forecast, etc. but it's nothing more then an educated guess at best. Businesses, much larger and with more resources then Canon, get it wrong all the time. I think to say that there is not a market for mirrorless in the USA is lying to oneself. By your own admission you purchased an M3 even though you had to order it from another country. In my own personal anecdotal experiences, more and more entry level photographers (aka parents who want quality pictures of their kids) are turning to systems such from the likes of Olympus and passing on entry level DSLRs from Canon and Nikon.

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2015, 12:40:36 AM »
We were expecting a 50 1.4 IS USM, we got a 50 1.8 STM with the same optical formula. That's what I meant.

That should probably read: we were wanting a 50 1.4, but got a 50 1.8... 

All kinds of people are going to buy the 1.8, and then also buy the 1.4.... If Canon released the 1.4 first they would still get the 1.4 sales, but then nobody would bother with the 1.8. 

That's the reason I expected the 1.8 first, although wanted the 1.4 like everybody else. 

 


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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2015, 10:14:27 AM »
I will buy one of they make it!
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2015, 04:42:54 PM »
If this is real it will compliment my 70D+Sigma 18-35 setup really well.
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2015, 04:42:54 PM »

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2015, 05:45:58 PM »
If this is real it will compliment my 70D+Sigma 18-35 setup really well.

Sure...if you plan to carry two cameras and own or plan to buy an EOS M. 

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2015, 04:28:10 AM »
If this is real it will compliment my 70D+Sigma 18-35 setup really well.

Sure...if you plan to carry two cameras and own or plan to buy an EOS M. 

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Yes I do own a M2, and before I upgraded from Siggy 30 Art to 18-35 my normal setup was 70D+30 Art and M2+EFS 10-18. or 70D+EF50 f1.4 and M2+EFM22. It is in my signature.
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2015, 10:13:20 AM »


Topic title:  New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]

Yes I do own a M2, and before I upgraded from Siggy 30 Art to 18-35 my normal setup was 70D+30 Art and M2+EFS 10-18. or 70D+EF50 f1.4 and M2+EFM22. It is in my signature.

Haha Casperl!

You should have pasted your signature with the kit highlighted in red.  Just for parity.

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2015, 05:05:03 AM »
I wonder what the userbase of the EOS-M system is like. For me the 135L is a very specialized focal length. On aps-c 85mm would be similar but with less potential for background blur. How many people will buy it? I guess it comes down to the pricing...
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2015, 12:35:12 AM »
I wonder what the userbase of the EOS-M system is like. For me the 135L is a very specialized focal length. On aps-c 85mm would be similar but with less potential for background blur. How many people will buy it? I guess it comes down to the pricing...

Tried the ef 85 f/1.8 on my M, as well as the 50 f/1.8.  The benefit is 2-3 stops  which is a lot more bacground blur than the ef-m zooms in that range.  If you want more than you're  going FF anyway. Couldn't recommend either  of the old EF variants - focus noisy and hunts, difficult to frame at arm length.  The M3 with EVF overcomes the latter and makes MF easy to. 

The 50 f/1.8 STM is quite nice on the M3 so far, quiet and quick.  I'd have preferred a smaller EF-M variant, but this one  works on my 6Ds as well.  I seem to use the EVF with it more often than not so far.  Not sure I'd want an 85 at this point.  Many down the road.
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2017, 05:40:13 PM »
Never happened, so sad.

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2017, 05:40:13 PM »

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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2017, 02:21:31 PM »
Never happened, so sad.

I agree! I initially thought it's a new rumors but then noticed this was originally posted 2-3 years ago!
For M system, the adapter size and weight is something that matters and counts! The size of such lens might be smaller than the EF-50STM+Adaptor.
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Re: New EF-M 85mm f/1.8 IS STM Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2017, 02:21:31 PM »