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First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« on: January 03, 2012, 07:51:42 PM »

Two years ago we lost the much beloved Kodachrome. Next year we could be taking digital pictures of a tombstone with the name KODAK on it.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20120103/BUSINESS/120103030

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First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 08:21:27 PM »
I read an article about the demise of Kodak last October.

That article seems to be a bit more of a stock-market thingy, they could just as easily consolidate the shares 10:1 or 100:1, then each share would be worth $6.50 or $65 (I've never heard of that $1 rule in Australia, i've bought and sold shares here from 1.000 to 1.010 cents and made a profit).

It would be really crap to lose such an iconic company though, especially since all the photolabs around my city use the same Fujifilm printers/paper, and the colours don't look any good, I go well out of my way to use the only Kodak Express because the colours actually match my monitor...
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 09:19:53 PM »
 :'(
Kodachrome
You give us those nice bright colors
You give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, oh yeah!
I got a Canon camera
I love to take a photograph
So Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away

Thanks Kodak for years of photographic fun!  Best wishes for the future.
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 11:56:10 PM »
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 01:28:20 AM »
I read an article about the demise of Kodak last October.

That article seems to be a bit more of a stock-market thingy, they could just as easily consolidate the shares 10:1 or 100:1, then each share would be worth $6.50 or $65 (I've never heard of that $1 rule in Australia, i've bought and sold shares here from 1.000 to 1.010 cents and made a profit).

It would be really crap to lose such an iconic company though, especially since all the photolabs around my city use the same Fujifilm printers/paper, and the colours don't look any good, I go well out of my way to use the only Kodak Express because the colours actually match my monitor...

I tend to agree on that - I doubt that Kodak is at risk of filing for bankruptcy protection.

For that matter, I have really come to like the Kodak Endura lustre and metallic papers.
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 08:14:05 AM »
well why would i waste a tear on kodak?

kodak had it´s time.. as the C64 had.
but i have not used a C64 in 20 years and kodak for almost 15 years.

beside kodak metallic paper kodak has not much to offer in the digital age ... for me.

thought i can understand sentimental thoughts about the past.

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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 08:54:24 AM »
I got a Canon camera

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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 09:15:27 AM »
As a Rochestarian, its sad to see Kodak fall as far as they have. Management made some poor decisions years ago and now are facing the wrath of the digital age. Buying anything Fuji in Rochester was like buying a Honda in Detroit growing up.. ::sigh::

Basically there valuable patents are keeping them afloat..


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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 09:39:32 AM »
I'm with you - I remember shooting film and scoffing at those who bought and shot Fuji because my Dad was a kodak employee. 

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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 11:17:42 AM »
well why would i waste a tear on kodak?

kodak had it´s time.. as the C64 had.
but i have not used a C64 in 20 years and kodak for almost 15 years.

beside kodak metallic paper kodak has not much to offer in the digital age ... for me.

thought i can understand sentimental thoughts about the past.


I guess for me there is sentiment mixed with awe over how silicone and mathematics have so devastated chemistry and paper. But Kodak did have a choice -- they could have put more of their resources into a future that was painfully obvious. So many old-line corporations can't seem to cope with change -- they are like deer in the headlights.

Their metallic paper I sure have come to love. Great stuff. Yet my printer goes with the Fuji Pearl for anything in large display and competition stuff.
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 05:26:43 PM »
Just in...

It looks like 2012 may be Kodak's final year. The inability to find buyers for their patents has left no option but bankruptcy.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/01/04/wsj_eastman_kodak_readying_bankruptcy_filing.html

This does not look promising for George Eastmans once revolutionary company. He was the Steve Jobs of his age with a successful desire to create a convergence of technology and art wrapped up in a highly viable business model. The name Kodak is an invention. Eastman wanted to come up with a word that was easily pronounced in any language on the planet. Kodak.

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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 11:02:33 PM »
Here's another take on why Kodak is on the brink:

http://technologyspectator.com.au/emerging-tech/social-media/kodaks-missed-facebook-opportunity

This article argues that Kodak failed to understand the shift in the reasons why people take photographs. - Because Kodak still thought that people were taking photos for recording memories, they focused on printing, and missed the fact that most people take photos to share them online - that is photos have become a form of communication rather than a form of memory.
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 11:36:22 PM »
What does that mean for AdoramaPix? What paper are they switching to?
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 01:40:56 AM »

Thanks. That's a fascinating idea and one I've spent a lot of time thinking about. A while back I started a thread here asking what photos meant to people, but the response was slim and most people still said memories, for the most part.

But the communication makes sense in a fast moving, throw away world. "Here's me today. Tomorrow, this reality is gone -- and a new picture will replace it."

Makes me wonder if we lose a lot of history this way -- personal and otherwise.

Paper will surely hang on for a while. I always see people printing pictures when I go in CVS, Walgreens, etc. Maybe 20 years from now that will all be gone too. Imagine going to a photo show in a gallery and having nothing but screens on the wall -- with resolutions that look so real you could walk into them; that's the future of digital imaging, I believe.

Kodak would need a miracle at this point.



Here's another take on why Kodak is on the brink:

http://technologyspectator.com.au/emerging-tech/social-media/kodaks-missed-facebook-opportunity

This article argues that Kodak failed to understand the shift in the reasons why people take photographs. - Because Kodak still thought that people were taking photos for recording memories, they focused on printing, and missed the fact that most people take photos to share them online - that is photos have become a form of communication rather than a form of memory.
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Re: First Kodachrome, now Kodak?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 04:56:09 PM »

Thanks. That's a fascinating idea and one I've spent a lot of time thinking about. A while back I started a thread here asking what photos meant to people, but the response was slim and most people still said memories, for the most part.

But the communication makes sense in a fast moving, throw away world. "Here's me today. Tomorrow, this reality is gone -- and a new picture will replace it."

Makes me wonder if we lose a lot of history this way -- personal and otherwise.

Paper will surely hang on for a while. I always see people printing pictures when I go in CVS, Walgreens, etc. Maybe 20 years from now that will all be gone too. Imagine going to a photo show in a gallery and having nothing but screens on the wall -- with resolutions that look so real you could walk into them; that's the future of digital imaging, I believe.

Kodak would need a miracle at this point.


I have to admit the article got me thinking again about how I use photos, and it is definitely true that the communication aspect is an important part now - given that many of my friends and family are distributed across multiple continents.  On reflection, I think that really I use photos for both of those purposes - both memories and to communicate.

I don't see printed photos going away totally.  The obvious thing, however, which happened years ago is that everyone has become more selective about which photos they print. - Thank heavens!  That said, people still seem to be willing to spend a fair amount of money for decent portraits to hang on the wall, or for an album of newborn photos of their child.

On the subject of Kodak, it is looking more and more like Chapter 11 is inevitable:
http://www.theage.com.au/business/world-business/troubled-kodak-restructures-business-20120111-1pu23.html
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