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Re: EF 100-400 Version 2 Coming [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2010, 11:38:13 PM »
I've scratched by head over the 70-300mm L for months. I still don't fully understand it, but I am now willing to concede there may be a niche for it. It seems to have been designed for persons needing an all-purpose zoom that can be carried in the bag or backpack and used under extreme conditions.

I can only speak for myself, but I would say that I would be willing to pay over $2,000 for a new 100-400mm L, but I cringe at the thought of spending $1,500 for the 300mm L zoom.
Yup.  Like you say, there must be a niche market for it.  Kinda like the 28-300 L

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Re: EF 100-400 Version 2 Coming [CR2]
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2010, 03:59:00 PM »
The sheer number of 70-300mm lenses in Canon's lens history is a testament to the range's popularity, not to mention I've seen plenty of evidence that the length is widely used and carried.

Personally, I also would be more interested by a 100-400mm, and I'm glad I've held off on the 70-300mm since the 100-400 might hold a wide aperture longer than the 70-300mm did (certainly it's the case that the current one does).  It only needs to have a zoom ring.

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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2010, 10:58:18 AM »
<strong>Coming in 2011</strong>

An email showed up this evening confirming a new 100-400 will hit the world sometime in 2011.<strong> </strong></p>

This lens has been so badly in need of an update for so long that it's now too late.  The 70-200/2.8L IS II is so good with TCs while having far superior handling and IS that a new 100-400L isn't really needed anymore.

If they are really going to do this, it needs to be designed from the beginning to use the 1.4xTC well with the highest pixel density 1.6-crop sensors they expect to produce in the next 10 years, and it needs to be a coordinated release with a 7D replacement having high-performance f/8 AF sensors.

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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2010, 02:44:59 PM »
a 7D replacement having high-performance f/8 AF sensors.

I believe someone here previously used the phrase, "pigs will fly over snowbanks in hell first."  I'm inclined to think that statement applies here.  If they do that, why even have a 1D-series?
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Re: EF 100-400 Version 2 Coming [CR2]
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2010, 03:26:50 PM »
This lens has been so badly in need of an update for so long that it's now too late.  The 70-200/2.8L IS II is so good with TCs while having far superior handling and IS that a new 100-400L isn't really needed anymore.

So you expect a 2.85x zoom lens and a TC to "replace" a 4x zoom lens? The 70-200 F2.8 alone costs quite a bit more, then add the price of a TC and you're around 50% higher than the current 100-400 for a combo that's not even close to the convenience of a single lens. It's also slower through the whole zoom range, except at 400mm unless you remove the TC.

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Re: EF 100-400 Version 2 Coming [CR2]
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2010, 04:11:33 PM »
This lens has been so badly in need of an update for so long that it's now too late.  The 70-200/2.8L IS II is so good with TCs while having far superior handling and IS that a new 100-400L isn't really needed anymore.

So you expect a 2.85x zoom lens and a TC to "replace" a 4x zoom lens? The 70-200 F2.8 alone costs quite a bit more, then add the price of a TC and you're around 50% higher than the current 100-400 for a combo that's not even close to the convenience of a single lens. It's also slower through the whole zoom range, except at 400mm unless you remove the TC.

totally with spam on this one.  I would be in total disbelief if the latest 70-200 with new 2x TC were to match a new 100-400 ... just use the existing models as a basis for comparison.  if canon can improve the 70-200 that much, there's no reason they won't do the same for the 100-400

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Re: EF 100-400 Version 2 Coming [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2010, 09:46:39 PM »
a 7D replacement having high-performance f/8 AF sensors.

I believe someone here previously used the phrase, "pigs will fly over snowbanks in hell first."  I'm inclined to think that statement applies here.  If they do that, why even have a 1D-series?

I don't know, this doesn't seem that implausible. The next generation of the 7D will need some new features and this seems like a reasonable one to me. I don't see this hurting the 1D-series as I doubt many people buying either the 1Ds or the 1D are going to switch to the 7D because of the ability to auto-focus in low light.

There might be technical reasons that I'm unaware of, but assuming that this is a feature that could be added to the 7D for a reasonable cost, I wouldn't be all that surprised.

Gotta give 7D owners some reasons to upgrade. I don't think a few more megapixels alone will do it. But, improved low-light autofocus, autofocus in movie mode and a few other goodies might help.

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The 70-200/2.8L IS II is so good with TCs while having far superior handling and IS that a new 100-400L isn't really needed anymore.

On the other had, as others have pointed out, this doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2010, 09:24:53 AM »
Having just bought the current 100-400L recently, I considered the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II with extenders as an option.  But honestly, while it would be way better from (70)100-200, and pretty darn good out to 280, ultimately everything I saw said that the 100-400L had it beat for IQ from 280-400.  Plus you could then add a 1.4 extender (loosing AF) onto the 100-400L and get out to 560 mm, if needed.  Then throw in the fact that AF slows way down with extenders, I bought the current 100-400L.

Finally, I'd expect the "new" model to perform even better than the current model.  If they bring up the 100-400L to the current level (4 stop IS, weather sealing, IQ, etc), it is going to be one great lens.

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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 11:25:46 AM »
a 7D replacement having high-performance f/8 AF sensors.

I believe someone here previously used the phrase, "pigs will fly over snowbanks in hell first."  I'm inclined to think that statement applies here.  If they do that, why even have a 1D-series?

Let me see, weather sealing, dual card slots, faster frame rate, larger sensor, better viewfinder, built-in portrait grip, ergonomics designed for use with gloves, more/faster AF processors, more AF points, longer shutter life, etc.

If it doesn't happen, I just won't buy it.  No big deal.

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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2010, 11:28:25 AM »
This lens has been so badly in need of an update for so long that it's now too late.  The 70-200/2.8L IS II is so good with TCs while having far superior handling and IS that a new 100-400L isn't really needed anymore.


So you expect a 2.85x zoom lens and a TC to "replace" a 4x zoom lens? The 70-200 F2.8 alone costs quite a bit more, then add the price of a TC and you're around 50% higher than the current 100-400 for a combo that's not even close to the convenience of a single lens. It's also slower through the whole zoom range, except at 400mm unless you remove the TC.


totally with spam on this one.  I would be in total disbelief if the latest 70-200 with new 2x TC were to match a new 100-400 ... just use the existing models as a basis for comparison.  if canon can improve the 70-200 that much, there's no reason they won't do the same for the 100-400


I bought the 70-200/2.8L IS I and TCs because I couldn't find a decent 100-400L.  It worked.  Now I have a 100-400L too and prefer the 70-200 with TCs.

The new 70-200 seems to work well even with stacked 2x and 1.4x TCs on the high-density 18MP sensors:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=36223399

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Re: EF 100-400 Version 2 Coming [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2010, 10:23:56 AM »
The 100-400 is principally a bird shooter lens, this is why you need it to:
1-have very fast AF
2-be a very sharp-image catcher
3-have a fast zoom-in/out system as the push/pull
4-be adapted to support the high pixel density of the new cameras
5-have a last generation and on-tripod-efficient IS system for panning etc.
6-to be water and dust resistant
7-be "light-weight"

You have to look at the 100-400 as a "400mm f/5.6 L series zoom", with the adding of a fast zoom system to let you catch your escaping sobjects, to understand the reason of it's being, that's it!!!

For ceremonies, in door sports, etc., you can take one of the 70-200 S, 70-300, 28-300... of course i will suggest the magnific 70-200 f/2.8L IS II...

When the 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II will be released, I'm going to be one the already sure buyers!!!

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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2010, 10:47:21 AM »
Canon has made 100-300, 70-300, and 75-300 models galore.  That focal length range obviously sells well.  Those who like this focal length range will make it very popular.  My 100-400mm L is excellent, and when telescoped, it fits pretty well in a camera bag.  300mm is not enough for my FF and 1DMKIII, I'd like to have longer.  But then my 600mm f/4 wasn't long enough either, so I have to be happy with 400mm.

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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2010, 11:33:06 AM »
This lens has very strong position among non professional nature photographers, and even having obvious issues it still is a great choice.
In my opinion, if Canon will be modest and keep the price in the similar range, than an upgrade will be a great news, even for somebody like me, that hate constantly swapping equipment this may be tempting offer.
If the price will exceed what semi pro, and advanced amateurs will pay for, than this will be a flop, since this is not a lens that professionals will chose for that focal range.

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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2010, 12:52:00 PM »
I do not think that everyone needs every lens.  If you don't, and I don't, thats fine, we have other lenses we use, however many others will want this lens, and thats fine, more power to them!

If Canon only made the lenses that I use, 90% of their lenses would go away, and there would be lots of unhappy photographers.

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2010, 07:18:15 AM »
I've owned a good version of a 100-400 for about 4 years and I use it a lot and have generally been very pleased with the results. If I've managed to keep it steady :-). I'd be very interested in an updated version that had better IS and IQ. Physically smaller or weighing less would also be an advantage, but aren't essential.

I'm happy with f4-f5.6 and have a good idea what would happen (to size and price) if Canon made it constant F4.

If I can buy it from a retailer for ~£1500 I'd buy one, significantly more £1500 I'd have to think long and hard about it.

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2010, 07:18:15 AM »