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Should "karma" remain on the forum?

Yes!
38 (47.5%)
No!
32 (40%)
What's a karma?
10 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 79

Voting closed: January 15, 2012, 11:00:09 AM

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2012, 02:02:54 AM »

"You were the last winner."

-George Carlin on what parents tell loser children of the self-esteem generation.

After a good shower, I realized why I felt dirty voting on this issue. Reading this thread is like watching the self-esteem generation doing a circle jerk.

How do you live a satisfying life being terrified of what other people might say about you!

I'm not sure whether to agree with you or not. You make a great point about not living your life being afraid of what other people may think of you. You have to learn to ignore and move on. I'm with you 100% there. Bad karma.... so what. It doesn't mean anything.

But, if I owned/ran a forum, I would be concerned as well. The goal is to get people and keep them here, not make them leave. Less traffic on a website is a bad thing, especially if people are paying for advertising.

Just my 2 cents.....

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2012, 02:02:54 AM »

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2012, 02:20:12 AM »
For those that like to keep only applaud karma, I suggest that it should be expanded also in to different categories:
"attaboy"
"pat on the back"
"aaaw"
"you are amazing"
"splendid"
and some other favorite compliments that please us the most and we all can suggest...
 :)


Yes!!! Brilliant idea! +1!

 Bonzer post mate :D

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2012, 02:49:20 AM »
Karma should stay, but perhaps not in the same form we have now.

I think we ought to require two negative votes for the same post before registering as bad karma in order to prevent any one individual from running amok in the forum. This could possibly be combined with some weighted system based on overall karma or be limited to number of posts in the same thread.

The same could be done with good karma (or some variation thereof), but I personally prefer to leave that one alone.

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2012, 03:25:01 AM »
I'm not sure the karma system adds significant value. In a busy site like this it is impossible for everyone to agree on everything, so there will always be disagreements.

I think at most a per-post "like" system seems to work well on another forum I'm on. Might cut down on some cluttering "+1" like posts too.
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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2012, 05:05:36 AM »
Karma is good, it generally keeps the tone civilised I think there is probably a bit of vengeful smiting but i think i applaud more often if i find a post particularly helpfull or brings some good information out

I agree. I've noticed that some participants behave a bit more civilly after receiving some bad Karma. It reduces the number of nasty drive-by comments. No one takes it too seriously, but it's not useless either.

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2012, 07:44:38 AM »
Received both smites on karma related topics, last one due to the "+1" post above  ;D

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2012, 09:16:15 AM »
+1 for "What is Karma" . . . call it a vote for an overhaul; two suggestions:
1) One way or another, get rid of negative karma, it's just a dumb idea; it takes all of the worst things about the internet and allows it to fester --- people don't have to add to your reps if they don't like you, but honestly, unless it costs you something to take away from someone else, there are monkeys out there that are going to downvote like a banana is going to pop out of the computer as a reward for clicking it . . .

2) I don't like mentioning other forums, but I'll do it this once since it's a good example.  Slick deals has a good system whereby you can only give positive reputation, and how many points you can give depends on:
a) post count -- to start repping
b) how long you've been a member (you get an extra 1 after a year or so)
c) How much reputation you, yourself have

There is also a threshold on how much positives you can give in a 24hr period, and  you can't rep the same person twice in a row.

In the end, people shouldn't "LOSE" reputation for saying something valid if someone doesn't agree with them or even if they're just posted something not that smart.  If it's bad enough to take away, the person WILL be corrected in a follow up post by one of our beloved experts :D

Again, just another opinion but it's worth every cent charged for it ;)
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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2012, 09:16:15 AM »

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2012, 09:53:06 AM »
+1 for "What is Karma" . . . call it a vote for an overhaul; two suggestions:
1) One way or another, get rid of negative karma, it's just a dumb idea; it takes all of the worst things about the internet and allows it to fester --- people don't have to add to your reps if they don't like you, but honestly, unless it costs you something to take away from someone else, there are monkeys out there that are going to downvote like a banana is going to pop out of the computer as a reward for clicking it . . .

2) I don't like mentioning other forums, but I'll do it this once since it's a good example.  Slick deals has a good system whereby you can only give positive reputation, and how many points you can give depends on:
a) post count -- to start repping
b) how long you've been a member (you get an extra 1 after a year or so)
c) How much reputation you, yourself have

There is also a threshold on how much positives you can give in a 24hr period, and  you can't rep the same person twice in a row.

In the end, people shouldn't "LOSE" reputation for saying something valid if someone doesn't agree with them or even if they're just posted something not that smart.  If it's bad enough to take away, the person WILL be corrected in a follow up post by one of our beloved experts :D

Again, just another opinion but it's worth every cent charged for it ;)

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2012, 11:17:38 AM »
Whether or not a result of the karma system, this is one of the most civil forums I've ever been a part of (or even lurked on.)  I suspect the karma does play at least a role in that.

And now to up my bad karma...

I vehemently disagree on the positive only concept.  It's "hey, we're all good, just some gooder than others."  If you've spent more than 3 minutes on the internet, you are well aware that there are a great number of people who love the anonymity it provides simply to stir up disention and boost their own fragile egos by belittling others, practicing their swearing, and making off-color jokes.  If we can't smite those people, then they just get included in the positive karma love-fest and we all pay the price.

So if we're going to have karma--which does seem to serve it's purpose--then it has to have both good and bad.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 12:02:47 PM by thepancakeman »

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2012, 12:00:03 PM »
I vehemently disagree on the positive only concept.  It's "hey, we're all good, just some gooder than others."  If you've spent more than 3 minutes on the internet, you are well aware that there are a great number of people who love the anonymity it provides simply to stir up disention and boost their own fragile egos by belittling others, practicing their swearing, and making off-color jokes.  If we can't smite those people, then they just get included in the positive karma love-fest and we all pay the price.

So if we're going to have karma--which does seem to server it's purpose--then it has to have both good and bad.

You just gave me another idea: add agree/disagree buttons to posts just to get it out of people's systems :)  People *DO* use it as a disagree button I've noticed.

As for the civility, I think that's taken care of by the mods -- the no-swearing rule I think goes a long way of keeping people civil.  The fact that this is enforced pretty much dissuades the types of people from hanging out here and the regulars seem to do the rest with words . . . honestly, I think most people misread it as a"spite" button  >:(

The other thing is this is the internet and we don't start out at "zero karma" because there is this huge cloud of negativity that seems to fester with anonymity.  Of course, we could go total disclosure where the posts all get full lists of who + or - and let the Darwinian effect take it's toll . . .
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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 12:44:23 PM »
Agree... dstppy:  Is there a way that the "Post" gets Karma rather than the person only.

Overall Karma is passive moderation, so it has its benefits, but we would like to know what post was objectionable rather than only the person being objectionable.
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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2012, 12:47:51 PM »
Whether or not a result of the karma system, this is one of the most civil forums I've ever been a part of (or even lurked on.)  I suspect the karma does play at least a role in that.

And now to up my bad karma...

I vehemently disagree on the positive only concept.  It's "hey, we're all good, just some gooder than others."  If you've spent more than 3 minutes on the internet, you are well aware that there are a great number of people who love the anonymity it provides simply to stir up disention and boost their own fragile egos by belittling others, practicing their swearing, and making off-color jokes.  If we can't smite those people, then they just get included in the positive karma love-fest and we all pay the price.

So if we're going to have karma--which does seem to serve it's purpose--then it has to have both good and bad.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm giving you good Karma for this!

A thought and a personal confession.

The thought:
While many people are suggesting interesting ideas, I really think it makes too much of the system and makes it too complicated. The current system is simple, if imperfect (what in life is perfect?) I much prefer this to some overly complicated, stringent, forum-police system that stifles debate.

The confession:
I have given out bad Karma and I've given it to some of the most frequent and technically-knowledgeable participants on this forum. I give it to them when they belittle or mock other persons for disagreeing with their opinions (not their facts, but their opinions). They are particularly likely to receive negative Karma from me if they are mean to newcomers on the forum.  I do not give anyone bad Karma for reacting to or criticizing something I say (that seems petty to me), but if you pick on someone else, I will proudly give you bad Karma. A little passive-aggressive perhaps, but I find it much simpler and less frustrating than engaging in a prolonged debate on the forum over how their parents should have taught them some manners.

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2012, 01:49:16 PM »
Whether or not a result of the karma system, this is one of the most civil forums I've ever been a part of (or even lurked on.)  I suspect the karma does play at least a role in that.

And now to up my bad karma...

I vehemently disagree on the positive only concept.  It's "hey, we're all good, just some gooder than others."  If you've spent more than 3 minutes on the internet, you are well aware that there are a great number of people who love the anonymity it provides simply to stir up disention and boost their own fragile egos by belittling others, practicing their swearing, and making off-color jokes.  If we can't smite those people, then they just get included in the positive karma love-fest and we all pay the price.

So if we're going to have karma--which does seem to serve it's purpose--then it has to have both good and bad.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm giving you good Karma for this!

A thought and a personal confession.

The thought:
While many people are suggesting interesting ideas, I really think it makes too much of the system and makes it too complicated. The current system is simple, if imperfect (what in life is perfect?) I much prefer this to some overly complicated, stringent, forum-police system that stifles debate.

The confession:
I have given out bad Karma and I've given it to some of the most frequent and technically-knowledgeable participants on this forum. I give it to them when they belittle or mock other persons for disagreeing with their opinions (not their facts, but their opinions). They are particularly likely to receive negative Karma from me if they are mean to newcomers on the forum.  I do not give anyone bad Karma for reacting to or criticizing something I say (that seems petty to me), but if you pick on someone else, I will proudly give you bad Karma. A little passive-aggressive perhaps, but I find it much simpler and less frustrating than engaging in a prolonged debate on the forum over how their parents should have taught them some manners.

Agree100%

Just one point that, I really like to make.
Personally, I really disapprove people that are pushing any kind of "agendas" even dressed in encyclopedia type of knowledge, or unlimited willingness to help.
Example:
It happened that, I know personally individuals that if they want it they could probably purchase enough of Canon corporation to run it, and I never heard them to say, oh I am willing to pay thousands of dollars more for this or that, like it happens on this forum all the time, it is tacky and not natural, to me it is apparently Canons agenda pushing, (part time job?)
Do we really need to be brain washed by some forum members to believe that next 5D have to cost us extra thousand or two dollars?
Get real and start acting like reasonable people, even if you do have unlimited money to spend.

« Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 02:04:06 PM by Sunnystate »

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2012, 01:49:16 PM »

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2012, 02:10:52 PM »
I didn't know what karma was till I saw this thread!

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 02:22:07 PM »
If it were an option (unfortunately it's not), I would like to see the karma work similar-ish to slashdot.org karma.

Every individual post can get voted up or down (but a user can only vote on a post once).  And your overall karma is an aggregate of all your posts that have been voted on, but weighted equally.  i.e. if you have 10 posts that are voted positive, and 10 that are negative you end up with neutral karma even if one of those posts got a disparate number of votes one way or the other.  It would make it so you would have to be consistently good, or consistently bad to have your karma swing one way or the other.  I would still keep votes anonymous though.

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Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 02:22:07 PM »