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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2010, 11:06:23 AM »
I, for one, don't think that it's going to be very popular, particularly at that price. The 70-300 IS is too good a lens for a lot less money. $900 seems much more reasonable. The current price also makes me dread how much the next generation 100-400 will cost.

The 70-300IS USM has been EOL'd. Buy it new now while you can if you want one.

Really?  So Canon is only going to have the EFS 55-250 as a sub $1000 dollar telephoto zoom with IS?  I'm a fan of my 70-300IS.  Sure it isn't the best, but it least it has solid construction when compared to the 55-250

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2010, 11:06:23 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2010, 12:31:52 PM »
If it doesn't do well at that price point, the price will drop.  Look at the 60D - price drop, rebate, etc.
Everything drops in price after launch, short of very exceptional circumstances like the original onset of the credit crunch throwing turbulence into the currency exchange rates.
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2010, 12:46:42 PM »
... exceptional circumstances like the original onset of the credit crunch throwing turbulence into the currency exchange rates.

Wow.... say that 10 times fast.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2010, 01:35:23 PM »
Impossible. Come spring with the rebates this lens will be street $1200.

I, for one, don't think that it's going to be very popular, particularly at that price. The 70-300 IS is too good a lens for a lot less money. $900 seems much more reasonable. The current price also makes me dread how much the next generation 100-400 will cost.

The 70-300IS USM has been EOL'd. Buy it new now while you can if you want one.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2010, 01:45:11 PM »

I do wish we could get the Hybrid IS system into more lenses, rather than just in the macros ... I feel like it's probably also useful in non-flower-related shooting situations

I've seen some of Canon's makers of light make a similar comment wondering why it wasn't on the 70-200mm f/2.8. 

It would appear that there is a technical reason it hasn't appeared on other lenses.  Maybe it gets too large and bulky to show up on the big lenses, or maybe there is little cost / benefit ratio.  I've never seen any type of analysis that would give a reason as to why its not appearing on new lenses, so we are left to conjecture that it was intended soly for macros.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2010, 02:09:42 PM »
I've never seen any type of analysis that would give a reason as to why its not appearing on new lenses, so we are left to conjecture that it was intended soly for macros.

My conjecture would be that it's not really needed (and would thus add needlessly to the costs of already expensive lenses).  It's all about geometry - translational motion (linear) has a substantial impact at short subject distances, but far less of an impact with even slightly more distant subjects.  Angular motion (rotational) has an impact at all subject distances. 
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Re: EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS Preorders
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2010, 10:10:31 AM »
I've never seen any type of analysis that would give a reason as to why its not appearing on new lenses, so we are left to conjecture that it was intended soly for macros.

My conjecture would be that it's not really needed (and would thus add needlessly to the costs of already expensive lenses).  It's all about geometry - translational motion (linear) has a substantial impact at short subject distances, but far less of an impact with even slightly more distant subjects.  Angular motion (rotational) has an impact at all subject distances. 
So if you have a very small DOF (macro) slight linear (front to back) motion can move you in and out of your DOF.  But if you have a 1 ft DOF, slight linear motion will not impact your image quality as you are still in your DOF. But side to side/angular motion will affect your image quality.  On target or do you mean something else by linear?

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2010, 10:10:31 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2010, 11:29:29 AM »
Hybrid IS adds "shifting" to regular IS, compensating for movement of the sensor on its plane as opposed to rotation of normal IS. At macro distances, moving 1mm to the side is significant, but if you're focusing 10m away, 1mm is hardly anything at all.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2010, 11:38:28 AM »
I'll probably just stick with a 17-40, 70-200f4 combo.  I just dislike lenses that extend out like that, even if they have an L/weatherproof attached to it.

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Re: EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS Preorders
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2010, 12:49:30 PM »
So if you have a very small DOF (macro) slight linear (front to back) motion can move you in and out of your DOF.  But if you have a 1 ft DOF, slight linear motion will not impact your image quality as you are still in your DOF. But side to side/angular motion will affect your image quality.  On target or do you mean something else by linear?

Something else - by linear I mean side-to-side or up-and-down, i.e. movements in the same plane as the sensor.  Those have much more impact at close distances.  Front-to-back movements (linear, but perpendicular to the sensor) also have a similarly large impact at macro distances, but IS systems do not compensate for those.  That sort of compensation would require movement of the focusing group(s) within the lens.  In fact, the new Macro AI Servo mode on the 7D and 1DIV attempts to compensate for those front-to-back movements.
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Re: EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS Preorders - A week later..
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2010, 09:22:51 AM »
 :) Nearly a week with the new lens and enjoying every moment. It is well balanced with my 7D, quiet and fast accurate focus. An ideal lens for travelling with as it means I dont have to lug around the 300mm f2.8 for thos distant shots. Now UK price is down but VAT up in Jan 2011! Posting shots again later this week.

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Re: EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS Preorders
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2010, 12:20:01 PM »
True, but there's a world of difference between a 300mm f2.8 and a 70-300mm f5.6 lens.

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Re: EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS Preorders
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2010, 05:30:35 PM »
GMC, I don't think anyone would disagree with you there.  mjl has a point though, in that despite sharing a focal length, these lenses aren't really similar at all in terms of when you would want to use one over the other.  it's like saying a sedan is better than a minivan without discussing what you intend on doing with it

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2010, 04:49:18 PM »
Canoga Camera on the west coast shipped mine today.  It means they will all be shipping soon from everyone I would think :)  ;D ::)

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Re: EF 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS Preorders
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 10:33:10 AM »
Canon is losing  it, Their prices are out of control on the new lens their coming out now days. 1600 dollars for a 70-300 f/4-5.6L where’s the value in that. And no tripod mount! Ok add in another 200 dollars.  Who’s going to buy that, The pro shooter NO!. Mom and Dad to shoot their little Boy or Girl at the ball game or on stage at the grand opening for some school play NO!. People taking that first trip to Hawaii NO!. The wedding photographer NO! Maybe all the portrait studios NO!.  How about the everyday type street shooter,  The all around shooter. Well for them it’s heavy to carry all day. Ok so that leaves us the wildlife shooters Yes!. But only the ones that have given up on or won’t save for the better lens of 400 to 500mm. When all is said and done this lens is 1800 dollars with no tax or shipping. You better know what your doing to spend that kind of money and people that know what there doing wont buy this lens. Its to slow and has almost no bokeh. Unless your shooting up close flowers at 300mm and no one that loves to shoot flowers at a foot away is going to but this lens. Is there a place for this lens in today’s market YES! But not at this price. The 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM is 508.00 on Amazon as of today. Canon needs and should have up graded this lens and sale it for 799.00 to 899.00  at 4-5.6 it’s a lens for people that just want a littler better color and sharpness and bokeh on the football gridiron. For now anyone that can spend that 2000 dollars is of course going to buy the 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM   I or II. As they should. If you have to have 300mm for that one shot add a 1.4 Extender. Get out and have fun.

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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 10:33:10 AM »