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« on: January 19, 2012, 02:15:30 AM »
Some pictures from the Ballmaster Open in Helsinki Finland 6th - 15th January 2012.

Hannele Impola, excellent technique

Hannele Impola... by K3ntFIN, on Flickr

Ronnie Russell trickshot

Over the barrier, under the chair... by K3ntFIN, on Flickr

Mika Koivuniemi and the strike dance

_MG_1405 by K3ntFIN, on Flickr
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« on: January 19, 2012, 02:15:30 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 03:16:54 AM »
Nice shots, at first glance that 2nd one looked like the chair leg was some sort of ramp and I was thinking that's a trick shot I wouldn't volunteer for ;D.

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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 03:31:22 AM »
Yep, having a 16lbs sphere hurtling through the air towards you isn't necessarily something I'd be too keen on either, but they did good.  ;D
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 05:48:47 AM »
Some pictures from this years Ballmaster Open 2013 - 4th -13th of January in Helsinki, Finland


Picture from Ballmaster Open 2013 by K3ntFIN, on Flickr


Picture from Ballmaster Open 2013 by K3ntFIN, on Flickr


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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 07:43:28 AM »
You are using ISO up to 4000 and your pictures still looking great. What kind of software you are using for de-noise? Never got such results on my 7D, even with Topaz Denoise.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2013, 10:05:06 AM »
You should view the images in original size then you can see its edited a lot :P

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2013, 02:13:35 PM »
You are using ISO up to 4000 and your pictures still looking great. What kind of software you are using for de-noise? Never got such results on my 7D, even with Topaz Denoise.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 01:45:42 AM »
Hi all!
I am very glad you think my pictures look great. Indeed, the 7D does produce quite a bit of noise, especially when going over 3200 ISO. The lighting at the bowling alley was really bad, had this flickering green tint to it and was quite subdued overall so to get action shots that aren't completely frozen but sharp enough I had to bump the ISO pretty high.
As for my post processing. The only piece of software that could come close to these results was Noise Ninja, but now that's a stand-alone app and is out the door. I tried Topaz DeNoise and some others, but none really gave what Noise Ninja could. I then started experimenting with different stuff and I now have a bunch of different import presets in Aperture 3 (yes I'm a Macboi) that do basic RAW processing for me. In this case though, that wasn't good enough, so another approach was necessary.
Exported the RAW files and loaded them up in Adobe Camera Raw (I run CS5) and here's what I did:
1. Set WB (due to that flickering light)
2. Do lens corrections and CA fixes
3. Zoom the image to 200% and focus on an area that has distractingly visible noise. (Dark trousers, colorful shirt or similar).
4. Start dragging the Luminance noise slider in ACR and see what happens to the preview, once a satisfactory result is achieved, stop. This will make the image a little soft.
5. Sharpen, masking usually set to around 95 to only focus on the player. Move the other sliders, detail and radius around to get proper results. I rarely zoom in for this, as I like to see what it does to the overall image instead of a separate pixel, but that's just me and works for me.
6. If the image is good, save it and go - if not really there yet, proceed

7. Open the processed image in PS5 and duplicate the layer
8. On the layer copy apply High Pass filter - On the Ronnie Russell swing image I took it up a notch as my local bowling alley wants to make a printout of it and I found a bit of over-sharpening gives good results when making physical prints. Usually keep the settings pretty low to avoid halos and such, you'll see what I mean when you move the slider all the way to the left. :)
9. Set the layer blend mode to Overlay
10. Done

For the Tom Hess shot (the guy in the blue shirt on one leg) I did one extra thing. I used Nik Softwares Color Efex Pro 3 and the Bleach Bypass filter as a final touch and it suited that image fine in my opinion, it didn't work for the others, so I didn't apply that filter to the others.
Color Efex Pro has one other filter I am in love with, the Brilliance / Warmth one. It is awesome, but as with most of them, doesn't suit every image, so trial and error is a good way, and the best way to learn what would probably work and what not.

Man this was a long post. I can post specific Aperture 3 preset settings if anyone's interested in those.
Hope this helped someone.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 03:30:45 AM »
I try to use my 7D never above ISO 800 (sometimes I have to go up higher for sure). I'm going to test Noise Ninja today. Thanks for your awesome advice!

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 04:14:44 AM »
Noise Ninja is nowadays known as Photo Ninja, PictureCodes standalone RAW converter and editing software. But it has all the features of Noise Ninja and then some. But I do miss the simplicity of the pure plugin, therefore my change of favorite to ACR.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 05:31:30 AM »
K3nt I would love to see your specific Aperture 3 preset settings, if you can post them  :D

By the way, nice shots!

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Re: Tenpin Bowling
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 05:45:06 AM »
K3nt I would love to see your specific Aperture 3 preset settings, if you can post them  :D

By the way, nice shots!

Cheers

I'll post them tomorrow as I don't have them handy at work. But no problem. And thanks for the appreciation.  ;D
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Re: Tenpin Bowling
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 06:46:11 AM »
Better a noisy photo than no photo. Seriously go develop some of your digital prints and you will see the noise that looks so offensive on the screen isnt an issue on the photo print really.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 01:49:11 PM »
Yay! The login worked from home... Anyway... The promised Aperture 3 import settings I use and found useful. Ofcourse the processing doesn't stop here, but it makes things easier when moving on to the next bits in the workflow.

Indoor - High ISO preset: (this usually means some sporting event of exhibition, no flash allowed)
Boost: 0.70
Hue Boost: 0.55

Sharpening: 0.85
Detail: 0.75

Moire: 0.50
Radius: 4.00
De-Noise: 0.60

These settings don't vary much between profiles. My base preset for low ISO imports (100-1250 (about)):
Boost: 0.65
Hue Boost: 0.50

Sharpening: 0.85
Detail: 0.70

Moire: 0.50
Radius: 4.00
De-noise: 0.30

After that the other tools come in... PS5, Noise Ninja etc..

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 05:19:42 PM »
The other bit that helps, is when scaling down from full size you tend to eliminate more and more of the noise that exists. So full res might not be as kind at such high ISOs, but for web or small print (5x7, maybe 8x10) you often get quite usable shots even at what seems like really high ISO.

I'm actually considering if maybe I want to rally crank my ISO up on my 5d3 past 6400 (I try and not go higher) to get faster shutter speed when I know I'm shooting mostly just for web. Just a bit of de-noising in LR4, and then scale to 1200px long edge eliminates a lot more noise that I realize at the time of shooting.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 05:19:42 PM »