The 5D Mark III Megapixel Count? [CR2]

[awinphoto]

5D Mk II Focus issue resolved
Can crop without being worried about loss of quality so good MP's 22 will do me.
Decent fps more than or equal to the 7D.
The 24-70 f/2.8L II would be the kit lense.
And the price wouldnt be so high that I have to sell my Mrs kidney on ebay to pay for it.

Let's see...a FF camera with pro-level AF and 8 or more fps, more MP than the 1D X, and selling for 1/3 the price of the 1D X?  And a partridge in a pear tree.

haha +1... I could see the AF improvement, whether its as good as the 50D or as good as the 7D, who knows... Cropping... nice but not a deal breaker... FPS more equal to the 7D, no shot in hell... 24-70... Well it's snowing in nevada, so I guess hell's frozen over...  price... ehhh I would call your surgeon so he's on retainer just in case =) 

[mathino]

Let's see...a FF camera with pro-level AF and 8 or more fps, more MP than the 1D X, and selling for 1/3 the price of the 1D X?  And a partridge in a pear tree.

Exactly, that's not gonna happen.

I can see 5D Mk III like this:

1.) FPS: 5-6 fps max
2.) ISO: 100-25600 (even a native 12800 would work for me, expandable to 51 200)
3.) AF: at least 9 cross type points with center with higer sensitivity and ofc wider spread of them (really would prefer 7D style AF, but let's be serious, that's not gonna happen)
4.) Mpx count: Mpx of current is fine for me, no need for more
5.) Video: make it possible to shoot 1080p at 60fps

...and a useful thing would be if it wold be compatible with: WFT-E6A Wireless File Transmitter and GP-E1 GPS Receiver.

Thats my 2 cents.

[SomeGuyInNewJersey]

Talk of a 5d mkiii with an AF system as good as the 7d making the 7d redundant leads me to ask the question...

Where do people see the 7d in the Canon range... Is the DSLR range to be viewed as a linear heirarchy? Or do people see the 5d and 7d on a step below the 1d series on a pyramid? Isnt the 5d mkiii being higher up the range (so to speak) meant to be better than the 7d?

I dont see the 7d being made unnessessary by a 5d with good AF. The 7d is cheaper and non full frame. Cheaper than the 5d mkiii will obviously help keep it selling and so will the extra reach given by it not being full frame.  Okay so it may make people less likely to feel the need to buy a 7d to go with their 5d as the 7d but how much of a market is that?

It seems to me that people are focusing a lot of keeping Canons DSLR all in order and nicely separated in terms of features and specs but I hope Canon are paying as much attention to the competition as they do balancing their own range.

The point of Canon not wanting to damage sales of the more expensive 1dx by making the 5d mkiii in any way close to it seems a bit strange. Surely a lot more money is spent on glass than bodies? Especially amongst wildlife and sports shooters. 

We speculate about what Canon and Nikon are going to do and to how they will react to announcements by each other, I am thinking mainly here of the D800 affecting the 5d Mkiii, but do you think that Canon and Nikon have a more reliable idea of what is going on in each other camp than we on the outside do?

I have decided to wait rather than buy a 5d Mkii but that could change any moment :-) the more the suggestions come that the 5d mkiii will not be a huge stretch from the 5d mkii in any particular area makes me think that I'll end up taking an option that wasnt even a thought for me before... I may just wait untilt he 5d mkiii is announced and then buy a 5d mkii instead.

One thing I find a little puzzling though is that if the 5d mkiii is going to make 22mp then its going to be a completely new sensor... Okay so it may have an increased iso range and dynamic range. It seems an awful lot of cost and logistical effort to develop and manufacture 2 new sensors with only a 4mp difference between them.

And a final though...

Ive heard say on these forums how we are all like kids on Christmas Eve speculating about our presents... well the problem there is that with Christmas Eve at least you know that the goodies are coming the next day. At least Christmas has a fixed date...

Perhaps a better analogy is that we are kids in the backseat and Canon is daddy driving... "Are we there yet?" says we... "No just shut up and stop asking" says Daddy

[Meh]

Professionals who make their living from their photographs are generally quite conservative, they rely on their camera behaving exactly as they expect it to in order to get their shots.  If they've owned a number of 1-series cameras it is unlikely that they would easily be persuaded to 'trade down'. Whilst most of us are feeling the squeeze economically, a new camera body every four years is not exactly the largest business expense for those that truly make their living from photography.

Isn't it generally accepted that this is exactly what happened with the 5D2 taking out the 1Ds3?

[awinphoto]

Professionals who make their living from their photographs are generally quite conservative, they rely on their camera behaving exactly as they expect it to in order to get their shots.  If they've owned a number of 1-series cameras it is unlikely that they would easily be persuaded to 'trade down'. Whilst most of us are feeling the squeeze economically, a new camera body every four years is not exactly the largest business expense for those that truly make their living from photography.

Isn't it generally accepted that this is exactly what happened with the 5D2 taking out the 1Ds3?

I dont know if persay it was the 5d2 that took out the 1ds3... but as a professional, its all about having the right tool for the job... such as having the right lens for the shoot, right lighting... and for once, the 5d2 had something the 1ds3 didn't have... that is video... Whether it was a pet project other professionals wanted, or even a set up camera (most professionals on big shoots have a second camera (or third) just to take pictures of the set they are in with measuring tapes and other recordable info JUST INCASE something goes wrong, they can quickly reset up, go by the setup shots, and know EXACTLY how to do things again... Professional photography is in part all about repeatable outcomes... That's why some portrait studios dont tear down their studios at night... they had an outcome they liked and they keep it for the next shoot so they can repeat the shot with a new client.  There's many reasons to have such a camera whether it's a primary camera or a backup.  Any maybe some photographers got the new camera and fell in love with it's form factor... Nevertheless I'm waiting anxiously to see what the new generation of cameras will bring us...  Any speculators wish to guess what will come out first?  The 70D or the new 5d3?  =)

[mathino]

I dont know if persay it was the 5d2 that took out the 1ds3... but as a professional, its all about having the right tool for the job... such as having the right lens for the shoot, right lighting... and for once, the 5d2 had something the 1ds3 didn't have... that is video... Whether it was a pet project other professionals wanted, or even a set up camera (most professionals on big shoots have a second camera (or third) just to take pictures of the set they are in with measuring tapes and other recordable info JUST INCASE something goes wrong, they can quickly reset up, go by the setup shots, and know EXACTLY how to do things again... Professional photography is in part all about repeatable outcomes... That's why some portrait studios dont tear down their studios at night... they had an outcome they liked and they keep it for the next shoot so they can repeat the shot with a new client.  There's many reasons to have such a camera whether it's a primary camera or a backup.  Any maybe some photographers got the new camera and fell in love with it's form factor... Nevertheless I'm waiting anxiously to see what the new generation of cameras will bring us...  Any speculators wish to guess what will come out first?  The 70D or the new 5d3?  =)

Good point ! If somebody is a professional photographer then the camera is just a tool for him/her. And prices of studio stuff (lights/strobes etc) and lenses are higher then camera (especially if you shoot with L primes). And cameras are released/updated more frequenlty then lenses.

As for your question, I would bet on 5D Mk III to be released earlier :-)

[briansquibb]

If the 7D is $1500 and the 5DIII is $3000 then there will be immediate market differentiation and very little bleeding of 7D sales to the 5DIII particularly when you consider the difference in lens costs

[awinphoto]

If the 7D is $1500 and the 5DIII is $3000 then there will be immediate market differentiation and very little bleeding of 7D sales to the 5DIII particularly when you consider the difference in lens costs

Heck one would forget how easy $800-1000 difference makes in sales differentiation.  Why do you guys think so many 7D shooters waited until recently to jump to the 5d2... because the price difference only dropped to a few hundred.  Granted, for me, I refused to pay $2600 for a camera will as little "upgrades" to the 7d, but when It dropped, i was willing to plunk the money down.     

[Meh]

@awinphoto fair point about the 5D2 having a feature that the 1Ds3 didn't have.   But I think the point remains that too many of those that would have bought the 1Ds3 for stills decided to go with the 5D2.  The specs and image quality were close enough to the 1Ds3 that the higher cost was not justified to too many photographers and therefore the 5D2 ate too much of the 1Ds3 market.  I'm really just asking the question here, I've never used a 1Ds3 and am not a pro.

Ultimately, the reality is that the performance/feature difference between products has to justify the price difference.

[awinphoto]

Let's see...a FF camera with pro-level AF and 8 or more fps, more MP than the 1D X, and selling for 1/3 the price of the 1D X?  And a partridge in a pear tree.

Exactly, that's not gonna happen.

I can see 5D Mk III like this:

1.) FPS: 5-6 fps max
2.) ISO: 100-25600 (even a native 12800 would work for me, expandable to 51 200)
3.) AF: at least 9 cross type points with center with higer sensitivity and ofc wider spread of them (really would prefer 7D style AF, but let's be serious, that's not gonna happen)
4.) Mpx count: Mpx of current is fine for me, no need for more
5.) Video: make it possible to shoot 1080p at 60fps

...and a useful thing would be if it wold be compatible with: WFT-E6A Wireless File Transmitter and GP-E1 GPS Receiver.

Thats my 2 cents.

4 years after the mk.ii and all we get is a 2fps gain, no MP gain, Really?  I'd rather get the MK.2 unless there are  visual imporovements in RAW ISO performance, not just Digic 5 magic on jpegs.

 Sorry Canon; but there needs to be more..... I am with Lensrightin dude who thinks Canon has the product offering we have been waiting for; at the right price, but is overprotecting it's 1D line.... P&S's have GPS/HDR/Wireless/Pano functionality at 25% of the price of a 5d body..., why is it such an issue to offer more in a $2.5k body? I mean look at what Magic Lantern did... We need a bit of perspective on this.... Why is everyone acting like cattle on this and going along with these next to nothing improvements?

Give us decent AF/ More AEB / Wireless Flash / and a suprise new "X" factor and we will bite, otherwise it is back to Focus and recompose for some of us.

ummm... you DO know this is all speculation until the actual camera is announced... NO ONE knows what it will be except the top people within Canon and the R&D dept plus maybe a handful of select pro's and reps but they are on a non disclose relationship and wouldn't release anything if their lives depended on it... So lets just calm down a tad until we get something more definitive.  =)

[neuroanatomist]

you DO know this is all speculation until the actual camera is announced...

Wait, wait...all of a sudden I shouldn't make buying decisions based on rumors and hearsay?  When did that change?   

[mathino]

ummm... you DO know this is all speculation until the actual camera is announced... NO ONE knows what it will be except the top people within Canon and the R&D dept plus maybe a handful of select pro's and reps but they are on a non disclose relationship and wouldn't release anything if their lives depended on it... So lets just calm down a tad until we get something more definitive.  =)

Those specs that I mentioned was specs that will work for me just fine - nothing real :-)

And sure, all these specs are just speculations (we are at rumors site ;-) ) and ofc only a few people know what 5D Mk III would be. Let's just wait and see. Oh, and we can speculate on specs in th meantime :-P

[awinphoto]

@awinphoto fair point about the 5D2 having a feature that the 1Ds3 didn't have.   But I think the point remains that too many of those that would have bought the 1Ds3 for stills decided to go with the 5D2.  The specs and image quality were close enough to the 1Ds3 that the higher cost was not justified to too many photographers and therefore the 5D2 ate too much of the 1Ds3 market.  I'm really just asking the question here, I've never used a 1Ds3 and am not a pro.

Ultimately, the reality is that the performance/feature difference between products has to justify the price difference.

@meh, fair enough... I've been a working pro for the last decade more or less... I dont own but have shot with the 1d series and the 1ds series... as well as nokin and MF and LF... In the end, for professionals, we invest a lot of money into our training/gear/etc.. For me, i'd die for a 1ds3 or 1dx but in the end, I know I can get by with my 5d2 and 7d... and for a long time I just shot with the 7d with my clients without any complaints on the clients behalf on IQ... I know other pro's that have shot for the Olympic teams that shot with 20D's and such... In the end we all have to sit down and justify why we need the gear we have... not everyone, even the pro's, can plunk down on the latest and greatest for the hell of it without having that must have feature that is worth the price and then some... I cannot speak for those who chose the 5d2 over the 1ds... There are those who are dedicated to the 1d series because of their offerings, sealing, body, etc...  It's about choosing the right tool to accomplish the task at hand. 

[awinphoto]

you DO know this is all speculation until the actual camera is announced...

Wait, wait...all of a sudden I shouldn't make buying decisions based on rumors and hearsay?  When did that change?   

Haha... I just dont see the point getting too hot and bothered about rumors and speculations when there may be no need for it in the first place.  =)  Perhaps this is why people are getting high blood pressure so frequently now... They spend too much time on rumor sites, haha. 

[neuroanatomist]

Perhaps this is why people are getting high blood pressure so frequently now... They spend too much time on rumor sites, haha.

At least there are good drugs to treat that.  I don't know of any pharma company developing medicines to treat L-disease...