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Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« on: January 25, 2012, 10:33:02 PM »
Just saw this on The Digital Picture:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=1855

What do y'all think?

I need to get me either the new one or the old one, been making excuses far too long...
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Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« on: January 25, 2012, 10:33:02 PM »

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 11:24:35 PM »
Whoa! Am I doing this calculation right: $90,000 yen = $1,153?

Sigma typically lists outrageously inflated MSRP, but I didn't think Tokina did. Or maybe things are just more expensive in Japan?

Anyway, it says the new lens won't be out in a Canon mount until July. Can you wait that long?

Test reports have identified chromatic aberration as an issue with the 11-16 so it would be nice if they could reduce that. Although I have to say I've never noticed an unusual amount in real life. I am very, very fond of my 11-16 and have never found its supposed flaws to be a problem. Some people complain about distortion, but it seems to me that if your shooting an ultrawide, you ought to expect some distortion and, in fact, that's half the fun.

I'd probably see what the real street price is going to be and decide then, but it doesn't sound to me like the improvements are that significant.
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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 01:38:49 AM »
Same MSRP as the original.  The street price will probably start higher, though?

The two main complaints with the original seem to be the flares (I shoot video so I LOVE flares, but for stills they're annoying) and excessive CA.  A new coating means a reduction in flares (in theory), not a big deal for me personally...  But if the use of ULD glass (though they claim it's the same optical design) means the CA is reduced, that's a big deal as it solves this lens' big weakness.

A local store has one of these "like new" for $550.  Adorama has them for $610 after rebate.  I was very close to buying one today.  Now I'm having second thoughts.  The fact that 99% of what's shot with this lens seems to be terrible HDR made me not want to buy one for the longest time, but ultrawide is so much more fun than telephoto.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 05:53:52 AM »
Whoa! Am I doing this calculation right: $90,000 yen = $1,153?

Sigma typically lists outrageously inflated MSRP, but I didn't think Tokina did. Or maybe things are just more expensive in Japan?

Anyway, it says the new lens won't be out in a Canon mount until July. Can you wait that long?

Test reports have identified chromatic aberration as an issue with the 11-16 so it would be nice if they could reduce that. Although I have to say I've never noticed an unusual amount in real life. I am very, very fond of my 11-16 and have never found its supposed flaws to be a problem. Some people complain about distortion, but it seems to me that if your shooting an ultrawide, you ought to expect some distortion and, in fact, that's half the fun.

I'd probably see what the real street price is going to be and decide then, but it doesn't sound to me like the improvements are that significant.

With the exchange rate making the yen strong the prices here seem a lot higher compared to the US (but still slightly cheaper than the UK). Saying that though, once the lens has been out a short time I am sure the price in Japan will drop a decent amount... the S100 came out at 55'000 yen, I got mine for 42'000 yen a month after it's release.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 06:58:55 AM »
One of the things I really like about Tokina is that their designs tend to be very good at the things that are difficult/impossible to correct for in post, and concentrate less on things like chromatic aberration & barrel distortion that can easily be compensated for with a lens profile.

The existing 11-16 is already very good.  I made a Lightroom preset for it that corrects CA that pretty much takes care of the problem.

If the translation is correct & they're making all these improvements, the new one should be approaching L-grade territory...

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 07:42:46 AM »
flare was an problem with my 11-16mm tokina.

the canon 10-22mm is way better in controlling flare.

sharpness and of course f2.8 speak for the tokina.
thought i never used f2.8 with it. most shots i made are with f8 or higher.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 09:39:55 AM »
Really surprising...  I'm no pro, but I've been extremely impressed by my 11-16 since I bought it almost 3 years ago.  I certainly can't imagine an improvement that would justify trading up, but any improvement on this already great lens could help Tokina attract more customers.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 10:53:08 AM »
Really surprising...  I'm no pro, but I've been extremely impressed by my 11-16 since I bought it almost 3 years ago.  I certainly can't imagine an improvement that would justify trading up, but any improvement on this already great lens could help Tokina attract more customers.


well flare and CA´s are definitely a problem with the old model.
maybe some will not notice that but it´s obvious when you compare images.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 11:25:05 AM »
Sounds alright to me, ¥90,000 is just over £700, although the first model is now around £4-500,  I was going to try and buy the first one, but should I wait that little bit longer and get the second version?  Bearing in mind that I probably won't be able to buy it the same time it comes out, probably a couple of months afterwards, so the price might drop.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 09:26:26 AM »
This is the most exciting CR news I've seen in ages.  I'm actually more excited about this  rumor than a 5D mkiii.  Why - you may ask?  I had terrible auto-focus issues with the Tokina 11-16 on my 7D, going so far as to get Tokina to admit it was a real issue.  Which they finally did, almost...  check my blog post on this issue:

http://www.akphotodenver.com/2011/06/14/tokina-acknowledges-pairing-issue-with-11-16mm-f2-8-lens-and-canon-7d/

If a true update is in the mix, I'll be looking to pick one up as soon as it drops.  Tokina's 11-16 ultra-wide is legendary, I just want all the AF points to work.  Granted, I typically use it in manual focus mode, but a lens should be compatibale with all of a body's focus options.

Just my %0.02.


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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 04:49:58 PM »
I recently bought a Canon 10-22 to replace my Tokina because of the issues being addressed in the 11-16 Mk II. I never found the CA to be all that bad, it exists but is easily correctible. I also found the focus to be somewhat slow. The 10-22 I picked up does focus faster. I don't know if that is related to justsomedude's observations or the speed of the lens but it was also tolerable. What I could no longer deal with was the flare. It flares when you point it at the moon! The moon! Although I have taken some of my favourite shots with the Tokina I've had just as many shots ruined with horrible flare that proved very difficult and time consuming to remove. In my experience the Tokina is definitely sharper than the 10-22. If the sharpness is maintained and the issues fixed I would certainly consider the Tokina again.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 06:50:33 AM »
I've been very pleased with my 11-16, and don't think the CA and flare are any worse than other wide angles I've got.
While I mainly use manual focus with it, as most shots I use it for are on a tripod, it has so much DOF, I wouldn't worry about the faster focussing of the new model.

I have used it handheld indoors, and while the focussing is not as fast as some of my L lenses, it's quite fast enough and quite accurate too.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 10:42:50 AM »
Focusing is important if you want to use that 2.8 creatively. Pet/creative portraiture is one of the largely untapped uses of this lens since most people view it solely as a landscape lens. Doing that also lets them dismiss the lenses flaws a bit easier since those flaws don't apply to them.


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I haven't tried a shot like this with the Canon 10-22 yet but I'm presuming that because of the smaller variable aperture a shot like this is going to be harder to get if not impossible with that level of DOF. Though, the closer minimum focus distance of the 10-22 may help. I forgot my point here... oh yeah, fast focus! This shot took several tries because of the slowish focus of my 11-16 and the subject's unwillingness to cooperate. Yet, because of the 2.8 I was able to get it.
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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 09:34:19 PM »
Any update?

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2012, 09:51:56 PM »
Haven't noticed this with my copy, however I bought mine after my 7D, maybe something had been changed, also, I don't really use AF with this lens, prefering the focus scale and live view, maybe a thing with UWAs?  I shoot video a lot with it and for that purpose cannot rate it highly enough.

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Re: Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX Ⅱ Lens Announced
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