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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #150 on: December 31, 2011, 06:32:53 AM »
What is your recommended settings on a 7D while panning?  In particular, AF selection points / mode?  I am used to low-light gyms, so end up using M, auto ISO (1600 - 3200), f2.8 and 1/500-1/1000 with AI Servo - Hi speed continuous, Zone selection on my 70-200 2.8 II.  With the 135, hoping to bring the ISO down a little.
If I were to pan during a volleyball serve, what settings should I change? I'd love to learn to blur the background beyond my lens' bokeh.

Here are some 70-200 shots, sorry to go off thread but to compare with 135 shots I'll post next week from our next practice.

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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #150 on: December 31, 2011, 06:32:53 AM »

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« Reply #151 on: December 31, 2011, 08:31:08 AM »
What is your recommended settings on a 7D while panning?  In particular, AF selection points / mode?  I am used to low-light gyms, so end up using M, auto ISO (1600 - 3200), f2.8 and 1/500-1/1000 with AI Servo - Hi speed continuous, Zone selection on my 70-200 2.8 II.  With the 135, hoping to bring the ISO down a little.
If I were to pan during a volleyball serve, what settings should I change? I'd love to learn to blur the background beyond my lens' bokeh.

Here are some 70-200 shots, sorry to go off thread but to compare with 135 shots I'll post next week from our next practice.

http://albums.phanfare.com/slideshow.aspx?i=1&db=1&pw=uIK3E4dn&a_id=5412204


I would start panning with people at about 1/100 - this will bring the ISO down to 400 or less. F/2 if the person is from the waist up

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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #152 on: December 31, 2011, 09:04:09 AM »
Is there anyone able to post some indoor sports photos that were taken with an APS-C camera - like 7D?

Well, I don't have sports shots taken with it, but I ran a series of test landscape shots with my 40D and 135L a few years ago (10 shots at each 1/3 stop shutter speed, incrementing from 1/200 to 1/500). I found that in order to consistently get pixel-peeper-sharp handheld landscape shots completely free of motion blur I needed to be at at least 1/400th of a second.  Don't get me wrong, I got plenty of good ones below that, but in order for me to really get it right & make it look like it was shot from a tripod almost all the time 1/400th is where I needed to be.  That may just be the way it is for me, & that's without a monopod or a tree to lean on or anything.

Now for sports with a 7D it's certainly going to be different.  Fist of all you have almost double the pixels of my 40D, but of course "acceptably sharp" will depend on your output resolution (even if you're not rock-solid at the pixel level).  In terms of acceptable motion blur & sharpness, what passes for acceptable in sports photography & landscape photography are two very different things (unless of course your clients are printing your sports shots at A3 or larger on a regular basis...).  You can really crank the ISO on that 7D in order to keep your shutter speed up, and sports shots are so much more about the moment than about the technical quality of the image.  Not saying that the images need to be less good, but you can certainly get away with a lot more.

But the biggest advantage you have vs. landscape photography is that your subjects are usually moving.  Like some other folks here have said, if your panning technique is good & you can follow the motion of the subject really closely, you should be able to cut that speed requirement down to 1/100th or so, maybe even less if you've practiced a lot at following your subjects it & really get it right (a lot also depends on the speed of your subject).

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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #153 on: December 31, 2011, 10:36:06 AM »
Is there anyone able to post some indoor sports photos that were taken with an APS-C camera - like 7D?

Well, I don't have sports shots taken with it, but I ran a series of test landscape shots with my 40D and 135L a few years ago (10 shots at each 1/3 stop shutter speed, incrementing from 1/200 to 1/500). I found that in order to consistently get pixel-peeper-sharp handheld landscape shots completely free of motion blur I needed to be at at least 1/400th of a second.  Don't get me wrong, I got plenty of good ones below that, but in order for me to really get it right & make it look like it was shot from a tripod almost all the time 1/400th is where I needed to be.  That may just be the way it is for me, & that's without a monopod or a tree to lean on or anything.

Now for sports with a 7D it's certainly going to be different.  Fist of all you have almost double the pixels of my 40D, but of course "acceptably sharp" will depend on your output resolution (even if you're not rock-solid at the pixel level).  In terms of acceptable motion blur & sharpness, what passes for acceptable in sports photography & landscape photography are two very different things (unless of course your clients are printing your sports shots at A3 or larger on a regular basis...).  You can really crank the ISO on that 7D in order to keep your shutter speed up, and sports shots are so much more about the moment than about the technical quality of the image.  Not saying that the images need to be less good, but you can certainly get away with a lot more.

But the biggest advantage you have vs. landscape photography is that your subjects are usually moving.  Like some other folks here have said, if your panning technique is good & you can follow the motion of the subject really closely, you should be able to cut that speed requirement down to 1/100th or so, maybe even less if you've practiced a lot at following your subjects it & really get it right (a lot also depends on the speed of your subject).

This is a matter of technique and IS...

However, for most sports photography, a minimum shutter speed is 1/500... usually, a speed of 1/1000 or more is preferable...
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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #154 on: January 06, 2012, 10:53:45 PM »
Finally got into the underlit gym with my 7D and 135L.  Girls basketball (not my usual subjects), but I must say the 135 outperformed my 70-200 2.8 II.  Mostly shot wide open and got the ISO down to 800/1600 and sometimes 3200 with shutter speeds 1/750 or 1/1000.  I'm happy looking at my screen, though these compressed images don't do it justice.
These were all handheld, no monopod, M, AI servo, zone select, f2, autoISO, and shutter speed adjusted via viewfinder exposure meter.
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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #155 on: January 07, 2012, 12:09:29 AM »

Pretty good stuff, crap. You're not a sports photog yet, and never will be with the 135, but this lens turns out more intimate people images than anything I know -- even in a sports setting!

Thanks for showing.
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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #157 on: January 07, 2012, 05:17:13 AM »
Finally got into the underlit gym with my 7D and 135L.  Girls basketball (not my usual subjects), but I must say the 135 outperformed my 70-200 2.8 II.  Mostly shot wide open and got the ISO down to 800/1600 and sometimes 3200 with shutter speeds 1/750 or 1/1000.  I'm happy looking at my screen, though these compressed images don't do it justice.
These were all handheld, no monopod, M, AI servo, zone select, f2, autoISO, and shutter speed adjusted via viewfinder exposure meter.

Thanks for sharing. I can now see how this lens works with indoor sports.
This helps in my purchase decision of this lens.  Thanks again!
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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #158 on: January 07, 2012, 05:18:17 AM »

Pretty good stuff, crap. You're not a sports photog yet, and never will be with the 135, but this lens turns out more intimate people images than anything I know -- even in a sports setting!

Thanks for showing.

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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #159 on: January 07, 2012, 05:49:33 AM »

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« Reply #160 on: January 07, 2012, 07:06:10 AM »

These were all handheld, no monopod, M, AI servo, zone select, f2, autoISO, and shutter speed adjusted via viewfinder exposure meter.

"autoISO, and shutter speed adjusted via viewfinder exposure meter"

Any adjustments you make would be undone via auto iso- do you mean exposure compensation?

I like the pictures - bit like street candids but on a sports field. A different, but valid, take on sports photography

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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #161 on: January 07, 2012, 08:00:53 AM »
What I meant is I control the shutter speed, choosing 750, or 1000 based on what my viewfinder meter 'tells' me and the autoISO would then adjust itself, usually to 1600, or 3200, or occasionally down to 800.
I've tried Tv mode but my keeper rate is higher when I do it myself.

As far as composition / style - basketball is not my usual sport, and I had a tough time on the ACTION/SPORTy moments, so I chose to go after the more personal / candid shots.

My volleyball parents always like to see the emotion of the moment, rather than the stop-action hand on ball so to speak.   What I REALLY like about the 135 is the bokeh, really isolates the player IN  the moment.  Next week, I am shooting a VB tourney for 2 days, and I am renting a 1D Mark IV as a trial...trying to decide 1D MIV vs 1DX.....
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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #162 on: January 07, 2012, 09:12:32 AM »
What I meant is I control the shutter speed, choosing 750, or 1000 based on what my viewfinder meter 'tells' me and the autoISO would then adjust itself, usually to 1600, or 3200, or occasionally down to 800.
I've tried Tv mode but my keeper rate is higher when I do it myself.

I use Manual mode with auto ISO in a variable light situation (so that is nearly always  ;D )

I use the 135 mostly on F/2 or F/2.8 as it lifts the subject out of the background

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« Reply #163 on: January 07, 2012, 09:23:15 AM »
  Next week, I am shooting a VB tourney for 2 days, and I am renting a 1D Mark IV as a trial...trying to decide 1D MIV vs 1DX.....

You wont want to hand back the 1D4 ...

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Re: Canon EF135mm f/2L USM
« Reply #164 on: January 07, 2012, 09:39:00 AM »
What I meant is I control the shutter speed, choosing 750, or 1000 based on what my viewfinder meter 'tells' me and the autoISO would then adjust itself, usually to 1600, or 3200, or occasionally down to 800.
I've tried Tv mode but my keeper rate is higher when I do it myself.

I use Manual mode with auto ISO in a variable light situation (so that is nearly always  ;D )

I use the 135 mostly on F/2 or F/2.8 as it lifts the subject out of the background


Hey Brian, you must be shooting those with your 7D or 1D4 correct?  Because my 5D mkII does not have autoISO in manual mode (well ok from 100-400  :-\) so I would kill for autoISO in manual!

Just on a trip now and I only brought the 135L to force me to get use to it and it rocks!  Will post pictures apon my return.
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« Reply #164 on: January 07, 2012, 09:39:00 AM »