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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2017, 10:45:47 AM »
Nope, I am still waiting for Canon to up its sensor game.

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2017, 11:02:15 AM »
To what?

Are you seriously saying 2/3 stop only at 100 iso is a big enough difference to make a difference? By iso 160 they are all essentially equal. How often do you shoot at iso 100 and need 2/3 stop more DR?

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2017, 12:01:29 PM »
Not sure. I'm still using a 5DMII along with a 7DMII and Fujifilm X-T10. I was looking at some recent files from my 5DMII the past couple of days and like them a lot. I love the colours and generally like the files. The Fuji produces great images but there's something about Canon files that are more appealing to me. I'm really not sure how much an upgrade will benefit me. The DR thing isn't all that important to me. If I do upgrade it'll probably be to either an X-T2 or 6DMII (yes, I know they have different sensor dimensions). I know the latter's had a bad run from reviewers but I suspect it might work O.K. for me. I'd rather have the Mark IV but the extra price bump doesn't really seem worth it. However, I might just stick with what I've got and upgrade some lenses. I'm not a pro, so the issue isn't of much consequence.   

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2017, 12:18:44 PM »
That's funny because I belong to a very qualified group of wedding photography professionals, where many have now had hands on with their own 5D4's and this is not a what's been reported or what I've seen. It's a def improvement but night and day... nope, many are now on the fence about the change.

I'm sure you love yours, enjoy it... but from a business standpoint it's not wise to jump ship in the season where a disruption will slow work... especially when you rep could suffer.

I sat on my 5D3 when the 5D4 came out as I (somewhat correctly) presumed that (a) it would only be a modest* bump over the 5D3 sensor-wise and (b) my sensor wasn't limiting my growth as a photographer -- I was.  Until I put in more time and logged the flight hours and raised my game, buying something better wouldn't have made my photos any better.

But I'm an enthusiast with one 5D3, not seven like you.  The fiscal rationale for professionals is entirely different, one would imagine.

*But on the topic of (a) above, if you shoot base ISO all the time, the 5D4 is one of two Canon FF bodies that got hooked up with the on-chip ADC hotness we'd seen EXMOR clean house with for years.  It's more than just a modest improvement on that end of the ISO dial -- it's somewhere between 1.5-2 stops of DR improvement, which is a nice delta if you live on a tripod and sky is in the frame.  But otherwise, it's a modestly better but not explosively better D800/D800E/D810 vs. D700 sort of proposition.

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2017, 12:20:56 PM »
I'm not a wedding photographer, but I thought I'd share this deal. $2430 for gray market @ 6ave:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Only/322872737750?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I had to pick one up as that's not much more than I paid for my 5Dll. I don't need a grip or a printer or I would have got it from the B&H sale.

These deals on the 5D MkIV and 6D MkII are terrific.  I'm not in the market for either, but I if I were...

+1.  Staggeringly good deal for a new camera.

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2017, 12:22:52 PM »
To what?

Are you seriously saying 2/3 stop only at 100 iso is a big enough difference to make a difference? By iso 160 they are all essentially equal. How often do you shoot at iso 100 and need 2/3 stop more DR?

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20IV,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3

But PBD, some guy in France said those other two cameras are *ten points* better, and DPReview showed me this totally black frame that they pushed 17 stops in post and an award-winning photo was hiding in there!   :P

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 12:29:00 PM »
PBD's chart with one more added.  When we talk about Canon upping its sensor game, leaving a 2017 camera without the good on-chip stuff is inexcusable, IMHO.  I presume this is more about dollars and long-planned commitments to use specific fab hardware a couple years ago as new cameras don't happen overnight, but it's almost like Canon reeeeeally didn't like the 6D1 outscoring the 5D3 in some metrics and said 'I'll see to it that never happens again!'  :D

But I'm OT.  We're talking about the 5D4.

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Re: Anyone upgrading?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 12:29:00 PM »