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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 10:37:09 AM »
I do think the camera will be announced well before the 1D X ships.

Whatever the 5DIII brings in terms of specs, I really hope this turns to be true.  It would eliminate a lot of uncertainty/risk over purchase of a 1D X.

This is exactly why I believe the new 5 series camera will be announced before 1Dx starts shipping.

Ironically, that's sort of why I think they won't, or if they do, it won't come close to the rumored spec list.  I can buy a 1D X...if they announce a 5DIII with more MP than the 1D X, same AF as the 1D X, nearly the frame rate of the 7D, and at half the cost of a 1D X, I would quite possibly buy the 5DIII instead, meaning less ¥ for Canon.  To me, that doesn't make fiscal sense for Canon...
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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 10:37:09 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2012, 10:38:32 AM »
While the specs are very likable (61-point AF/7.5 fps), with an AF system that is similar to what Nikon has to offer in their D700 or the upcoming D800, this is simply too close spec-wise to the 1D X. This is seriously going to threaten both the 1D X's position, as well as the 7D (including it's successor) as a sports oriented, fast machine. A 5 fps is more reasonable. For the megapixels 22 is pretty good, I like how Canon decides to stay around this limit, however, can it compete against Nikon's much confirmed 36MP D800? We have yet to see how they perform... And by the way, from the leaked images, to me that's much of what the Mark III will look like and I am very impressed by how they modifies it and applies a 7D layout to it. It just looks more ergonomic and well designed than the Mark II.

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2012, 10:41:57 AM »
Specs look awesome, a bit too awesome if you ask me for the $ 2500 price range.
In order to keep it in the correct price range to make this camera a real sales wonder, they have to keep AF points under pro level, let's say around 15 cross type AF points, and under 7 fps, something like 4.5-5.5 fps.

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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2012, 10:43:55 AM »
Even if it's 7.5 fps the next 5D could have a small buffer and that would make perfect sense given the specs of 1D X. So you can shoot high fps but for a small amount of time and just for a few images.
That 7.5 fps could be with some tricks let's say like small jpegs or with focus locked on.

Those 5D expected specs would make this the first body for the photographers since it's well known that Canon never launched what we wanted.

I hope Canon can somehow adopts the selectable low-speed continuous frame rates like how Nikon does it with the C.Fn. In this case we can select the speed ranging from like 1-7.5fps.

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2012, 10:45:35 AM »
Ironically, that's sort of why I think they won't, or if they do, it won't come close to the rumored spec list.  I can buy a 1D X...if they announce a 5DIII with more MP than the 1D X, same AF as the 1D X, nearly the frame rate of the 7D, and at half the cost of a 1D X, I would quite possibly buy the 5DIII instead, meaning less ¥ for Canon.  To me, that doesn't make fiscal sense for Canon...
I think the majority of people who "need" a 1Dx are going to get it anyway. There may be a few who opt for the 5D3, but those journalists/sports guys who absolutely need an indestructible camera will get it.

I'm assuming that they know that they will bleed off a few potential 1Dx buyers, but that will probably be vastly outweighed by the number of people who see a great camera with great features as suddenly a must have. If they can convince a large number of 5D2 (plus xxD/xxxD) owners to upgrade even though they don't really need it, it's an on-balance huge win for them... not to mention if they bury Nikon. From what I'm reading, it looks to me like the latest round is clearly pointing towards Canon. The D4 doesn't look all that impressive and the D800... I know there are a lot of Nikon owners who are DEEPLY suspicious.

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 10:46:17 AM »
Specs look awesome, a bit too awesome if you ask me for the $ 2500 price range.
In order to keep it in the correct price range to make this camera a real sales wonder, they have to keep AF points under pro level, let's say around 15 cross type AF points, and under 7 fps, something like 4.5-5.5 fps.

Agree, using 7D's AF system plus a 5 fps (with selectable frame rate like Nikon) would be perfect for the Mark III.

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2012, 10:47:34 AM »
I don't care much about fps, just want better AF (19 points will be just fine, if you ask me). 22 Mpx are enough for me, don't need more. BG with joystick would be nice, also GPS. Well, we have to wait until 7th febrary and we will know more :) Till then we can just speculate ;)
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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2012, 10:53:53 AM »
The D4 doesn't look all that impressive and the D800... I know there are a lot of Nikon owners who are DEEPLY suspicious.


i still don´t believe the 36 MP rumors....

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2012, 10:56:06 AM »
I do think the camera will be announced well before the 1D X ships.

Whatever the 5DIII brings in terms of specs, I really hope this turns to be true.  It would eliminate a lot of uncertainty/risk over purchase of a 1D X.

This is exactly why I believe the new 5 series camera will be announced before 1Dx starts shipping.

Ironically, that's sort of why I think they won't, or if they do, it won't come close to the rumored spec list.  I can buy a 1D X...if they announce a 5DIII with more MP than the 1D X, same AF as the 1D X, nearly the frame rate of the 7D, and at half the cost of a 1D X, I would quite possibly buy the 5DIII instead, meaning less ¥ for Canon.  To me, that doesn't make fiscal sense for Canon...

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I am hopeful that Canon will not come with "crippled" models for market segmentation purposes but a mk 3 above 7 fps and 61 point AF costing more? I do not think they would have gone out with 1D X in the first place if mk3 specs were planned like that... 

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2012, 10:56:29 AM »
I think the majority of people who "need" a 1Dx are going to get it anyway. There may be a few who opt for the 5D3, but those journalists/sports guys who absolutely need an indestructible camera will get it.

I'm assuming that they know that they will bleed off a few potential 1Dx buyers, but that will probably be vastly outweighed by the number of people who see a great camera with great features as suddenly a must have. If they can convince a large number of 5D2 (plus xxD/xxxD) owners to upgrade even though they don't really need it, it's an on-balance huge win for them...

Exactly: as I posted earlier, they'll take the whole thing into consideration:

  • Plus profit from new buyers who would not have bought 1DX or gone to Nikon
  • Plus profit from upgrades by existing Canon owners
  • Minus lost profit from 1DX sales

If Canon thinks this is the best equation then they'll do it.  In fact, <humor>maybe they pushed back the 1DX so as not to interfere with 5D3 sales 8) </humor>

« Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 11:05:32 AM by Orangutan »

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2012, 11:00:08 AM »
From the leaked image, the Creative Auto and Full Auto modes of the Mark II are being replaced by the A+ Intelligent Mode as seen on the T3i. Does it suggest being a pro feature by ditching two Auto modes for one?
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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2012, 11:18:40 AM »
You guys arguing about they would never put the specs of the 5D III so close to the 1D X are forgetting that's exactly what Nikon did with the D700 and D3 and it worked for them I would say. I am actually leaning towards the 1D X if these specs are true for the build quality and dual cards etc. What if with this new restructuring canon decided to treat the new cinema EOS as the 5D as it were and cripple that body since mostly movie guys will be using it anyway? Then the 5D X or whatever they will call it will be the new 7D of the 5 Series and the EOS C will be under 4FPS and have lousy AF because it will mostly not be needed.

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2012, 11:22:20 AM »
what makes me wonder about the specs of this camera is not only what be just said about the 1DX. If there is a replacement of the 7D, then the speed and AF points of the 5D III would make a 7D II not so "buyable" unless there is a very big price gap between these two.
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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2012, 11:31:28 AM »
As a landscape photographer primarily, I
can't see why I would want to upgrade
to this set of specs.

The 7.5 FPS might help me capture Green flashes
better, and get a few more bird flight moments,
but other than that I can't see a persuasive reason
to upgrade.

Then comparing this rumor (we are talking rumors here)
to the other DSLR manufacturer's rumored 36 megapixel
camera . . .

After capturing sunset images last eve and having
the backlit forest detail evaporate - I hope any 5d3
has seriously bigger dynamic range; at least 2 stops
please, preferably 4 stops.

That would catch my attention !

Thank you Canon.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 11:39:29 AM by DavidD »

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2012, 11:33:16 AM »
With all the fast (fps) cameras out there right now (10 fps, 24Mpix NEX-7, etc.) it would be unacceptable for Canon to release a lowish Mpix camera (22 Mpix) and a low fps rate... Me thinks...

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Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2012, 11:33:16 AM »