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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2016, 01:05:41 AM »

We're just asking for basic filmmaking usefulness here- if it's a small sensor video camera with a fixed lens, at least give us a constant aperture zoom; if it's not a constant aperture zoom give us a detachable lens with some alternatives; if it's a larger sensor, maybe compromise on one of those. Or put all of the above in a more expensive model and sell it as the XC30 :) We who love Canon are infuriated when they put their market research before the actual ambition of the product.

A fixed aperture 10x zoom lens on a 1" sensor is not going to meet whatever budget you have in mind unless that fixed aperture is f/5.6.  If Canon allowed you to detach the lens on the XC10, what would you put on there instead that would make the camera more useful to you and how much would you be willing to pay for that feature.

It sounds like what you want is the Panasonic DVX200. Oh wait, that's only m43 with a variable aperture lens and Panasonic still had to mark it up to $4200.

How much would you be willing to pay for this XC30 with the S35 sensor and constant aperture f/2.8 super zoom lens? Let me take that back. How much would you be willing to pay as a daily rental rate for such a camera? Because very few videographers are going to be able to afford such a camera.

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2016, 01:05:41 AM »

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2016, 01:18:28 AM »

We're just asking for basic filmmaking usefulness here- if it's a small sensor video camera with a fixed lens, at least give us a constant aperture zoom; if it's not a constant aperture zoom give us a detachable lens with some alternatives; if it's a larger sensor, maybe compromise on one of those. Or put all of the above in a more expensive model and sell it as the XC30 :) We who love Canon are infuriated when they put their market research before the actual ambition of the product.

A fixed aperture 10x zoom lens on a 1" sensor is not going to meet whatever budget you have in mind unless that fixed aperture is f/5.6.  If Canon allowed you to detach the lens on the XC10, what would you put on there instead that would make the camera more useful to you and how much would you be willing to pay for that feature.

It sounds like what you want is the Panasonic DVX200. Oh wait, that's only m43 with a variable aperture lens and Panasonic still had to mark it up to $4200.

How much would you be willing to pay for this XC30 with the S35 sensor and constant aperture f/2.8 super zoom lens? Let me take that back. How much would you be willing to pay as a daily rental rate for such a camera? Because very few videographers are going to be able to afford such a camera.

I guess I stepped in it here. APS-C with 17-55 constant aperture would be more useful in my estimation than the current incarnation. For the rest of the response, I'd again refer you to the Sony RX10ii, a hybrid stills / video shooter with a 1" sensor and an 8.3x zoom range (24-200) at a 2.8 constant aperture priced less than the current XC10- it can be done, my friend. Canon just doesn't want to do it.

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2016, 01:28:10 AM »
And out of all the 4k video cameras under $3k, which is the only one to record 4k in certified broadcast quality?

The XC10.

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2016, 01:35:46 AM »

I guess I stepped in it here. APS-C with 17-55 constant aperture would be more useful in my estimation than the current incarnation. For the rest of the response, I'd again refer you to the Sony RX10ii, a hybrid stills / video shooter with a 1" sensor and an 8.3x zoom range (24-200) at a 2.8 constant aperture priced less than the current XC10- it can be done, my friend. Canon just doesn't want to do it.

That's a good comparison. Personally, the variable zoom doesn't bother me. I bought the XC10 because it fit a need that I had. I found that I was regularly using a C100 with the 18-135 stm lens when I was trying to get quick b-roll footage or cover events.  It was an epiphany when I realized that the XC10 was the perfect solution to all of the things that I wished my C100 stm lens combo would do better. I guess the f/2.8 lens would be nice, but I would still be pulling out my C100 when I was worried about low light or lower depth of field. Basically, the XC10 fit a need that I had and I will consider an XC15 if they add DPAF.

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2016, 04:17:46 AM »
The lens is still 2.8 to 5.6- I was hoping for 2.8 constant aperture. Only way it's worth buying to me unless they increase sensor size to APS-C. I'm not really expecting much here, especially after the disappointing 5DIV.


Yes! I too was hoping for a constant f2.8 on an updated model. But if they stuffed an APS-C sensor in this puppy, I'm all in. I have the XC10 and I call it my super 16 cinema cam. That's pretty much what it is...

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2016, 10:54:55 AM »

We're just asking for basic filmmaking usefulness here- if it's a small sensor video camera with a fixed lens, at least give us a constant aperture zoom; if it's not a constant aperture zoom give us a detachable lens with some alternatives; if it's a larger sensor, maybe compromise on one of those. Or put all of the above in a more expensive model and sell it as the XC30 :) We who love Canon are infuriated when they put their market research before the actual ambition of the product.

A fixed aperture 10x zoom lens on a 1" sensor is not going to meet whatever budget you have in mind unless that fixed aperture is f/5.6.  If Canon allowed you to detach the lens on the XC10, what would you put on there instead that would make the camera more useful to you and how much would you be willing to pay for that feature.

It sounds like what you want is the Panasonic DVX200. Oh wait, that's only m43 with a variable aperture lens and Panasonic still had to mark it up to $4200.

How much would you be willing to pay for this XC30 with the S35 sensor and constant aperture f/2.8 super zoom lens? Let me take that back. How much would you be willing to pay as a daily rental rate for such a camera? Because very few videographers are going to be able to afford such a camera.

I guess I stepped in it here. APS-C with 17-55 constant aperture would be more useful in my estimation than the current incarnation. For the rest of the response, I'd again refer you to the Sony RX10ii, a hybrid stills / video shooter with a 1" sensor and an 8.3x zoom range (24-200) at a 2.8 constant aperture priced less than the current XC10- it can be done, my friend. Canon just doesn't want to do it.

I my case, it's a matter of trade-offs. The Sony is great in a lot of ways, but their 1" cameras all have that signature harshness...some combination of DR and highlight roll-off. I would LOVE to have a Sony X70 over my XC10, but not with that garish look.


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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2016, 11:16:05 AM »

We're just asking for basic filmmaking usefulness here- if it's a small sensor video camera with a fixed lens, at least give us a constant aperture zoom; if it's not a constant aperture zoom give us a detachable lens with some alternatives; if it's a larger sensor, maybe compromise on one of those. Or put all of the above in a more expensive model and sell it as the XC30 :) We who love Canon are infuriated when they put their market research before the actual ambition of the product.

A fixed aperture 10x zoom lens on a 1" sensor is not going to meet whatever budget you have in mind unless that fixed aperture is f/5.6.  If Canon allowed you to detach the lens on the XC10, what would you put on there instead that would make the camera more useful to you and how much would you be willing to pay for that feature.

It sounds like what you want is the Panasonic DVX200. Oh wait, that's only m43 with a variable aperture lens and Panasonic still had to mark it up to $4200.

How much would you be willing to pay for this XC30 with the S35 sensor and constant aperture f/2.8 super zoom lens? Let me take that back. How much would you be willing to pay as a daily rental rate for such a camera? Because very few videographers are going to be able to afford such a camera.

I guess I stepped in it here. APS-C with 17-55 constant aperture would be more useful in my estimation than the current incarnation. For the rest of the response, I'd again refer you to the Sony RX10ii, a hybrid stills / video shooter with a 1" sensor and an 8.3x zoom range (24-200) at a 2.8 constant aperture priced less than the current XC10- it can be done, my friend. Canon just doesn't want to do it.

I my case, it's a matter of trade-offs. The Sony is great in a lot of ways, but their 1" cameras all have that signature harshness...some combination of DR and highlight roll-off. I would LOVE to have a Sony X70 over my XC10, but not with that garish look.

I have a Sony PXW-X70, and I'll buy a XC15 if it has DPAF (which I doubt because I suspect that this time they are using the same sensor), and you have an enormous amount of control of the look through the profiles. You also have XAVC (an excellent codec),  4K, two XLR inputs, power zoom, full articulating touch screen, removable top handle, etc.
You have to play with the profiles to get the look you want, and it can be matched up very close with the Canon look (although I still prefer Canon skin tones, which are typically very good right out of the camera).

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2016, 11:16:05 AM »

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2016, 12:26:42 PM »

We're just asking for basic filmmaking usefulness here- if it's a small sensor video camera with a fixed lens, at least give us a constant aperture zoom; if it's not a constant aperture zoom give us a detachable lens with some alternatives; if it's a larger sensor, maybe compromise on one of those. Or put all of the above in a more expensive model and sell it as the XC30 :) We who love Canon are infuriated when they put their market research before the actual ambition of the product.

A fixed aperture 10x zoom lens on a 1" sensor is not going to meet whatever budget you have in mind unless that fixed aperture is f/5.6.  If Canon allowed you to detach the lens on the XC10, what would you put on there instead that would make the camera more useful to you and how much would you be willing to pay for that feature.

It sounds like what you want is the Panasonic DVX200. Oh wait, that's only m43 with a variable aperture lens and Panasonic still had to mark it up to $4200.

How much would you be willing to pay for this XC30 with the S35 sensor and constant aperture f/2.8 super zoom lens? Let me take that back. How much would you be willing to pay as a daily rental rate for such a camera? Because very few videographers are going to be able to afford such a camera.

I guess I stepped in it here. APS-C with 17-55 constant aperture would be more useful in my estimation than the current incarnation. For the rest of the response, I'd again refer you to the Sony RX10ii, a hybrid stills / video shooter with a 1" sensor and an 8.3x zoom range (24-200) at a 2.8 constant aperture priced less than the current XC10- it can be done, my friend. Canon just doesn't want to do it.

I my case, it's a matter of trade-offs. The Sony is great in a lot of ways, but their 1" cameras all have that signature harshness...some combination of DR and highlight roll-off. I would LOVE to have a Sony X70 over my XC10, but not with that garish look.

The Sony cams do have that harshness- I much prefer the look of Canon's color science, as it can look great out of the box and if Canon Log is included, you can be assured of the ability to grade in post. That's why I keep pushing for Canon to deliver value to its long time video customers who have invested in lots of glass and bodies over the years. We're rooting for Canon, we just want them to deliver an all around product for us. Not just speaking of this, but the 5DIV, too.

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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2016, 01:01:09 PM »
Well the FS7 is cheaper and has more capabilities than the C300 II if memory serves. Hence my notion that if Canon is serious about this stuff, they would squeeze all they can out of it via firmware while still leaving potentially plenty room above for a C700
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Re: Canon XC15 Images Leak Out Ahead of Launch
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