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thepancakeman:
Finally got a chance to take out my new 7D last night and play.  Lens was the 70-200 2.8 IS I, and for the record I think these were the worst lighting conditions I have ever seen.

Oh, and FWIW, the first and third images were shot at ISO 3200, with some Lightroom 3 noise reduction applied.

Anyhow, here's a few I liked:



maxxevv:
For #3, you could try to get closer the next time to get the facial expression. Note sure if its the compression ( it often happens ), but the picture seems a little out of focus ??

Sports in general is not very effectively conveyed from a distance unless there is a 'context' to what you want to portray.  This applies to pict #1.

For pict #2, you could try to increase the shutter a wee bit more so as to at least get the face into sharp focus.  Extreme low shutter speeds do not work if your panning cannot keep up with the subject. Again, not sure if the compression in the image affected the sharpness though ??

Hope the comments will be constructive for you.  ;)

An example:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/OCBC%20Cycle%202010/_MG_0570.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/OCBC%20Cycle%202010/_MG_0170.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/OCBC%20Cycle%202010/_MG_0607.jpg

thepancakeman:

--- Quote from: maxxevv on February 13, 2012, 01:21:37 AM ---For #3, you could try to get closer the next time to get the facial expression. Note sure if its the compression ( it often happens ), but the picture seems a little out of focus ??

Sports in general is not very effectively conveyed from a distance unless there is a 'context' to what you want to portray.  This applies to pict #1.

For pict #2, you could try to increase the shutter a wee bit more so as to at least get the face into sharp focus.  Extreme low shutter speeds do not work if your panning cannot keep up with the subject. Again, not sure if the compression in the image affected the sharpness though ??

Hope the comments will be constructive for you.  ;)

An example:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/OCBC%20Cycle%202010/_MG_0570.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/OCBC%20Cycle%202010/_MG_0170.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/OCBC%20Cycle%202010/_MG_0607.jpg

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Thanks for the feedback!  I'm fairly on my own here, so although they cyclists usually like my photos, having some constructive feedback from a photographer is much needed/appreciated.  Yeah, the jpg compression definitely softened these a bit, and I may have also been a little heavy handed in my noise reduction.  In #2 the face actually is fairly sharp in the RAW file, which is what I thought made it a cool pic--motion blur on everything except his face. 

Far and away the biggest struggle here was the lighting--even at f/2.8 and iso 3200 I was dealing with shutter speeds of maybe 1/160 which is pretty tough to stop a cyclist, and then I'm fighting with the small DOF.  I tried a few flash photos, but just hated how those looked.  But I'm not sure I have a clue how to effectively use a flash... :-[

Not quite sure what you're saying about context for #1.  It was supposed to be "orange guy off the front".  I found for this event I really struggled to find any way to capture "feel"--it was an indoor field about 150x100 yards and they raced a big "U" shape and there was never much of a pack.

As far as "getting closer" on #3, I've tried that, but I feel like if there isn't some part of the bike in the shot, it loses all context and just looks like a person in a funny looking helmet.  I actually do have some shots of individual cyclists that are much closer, but I picked this one as it was showing the two teammates working together.  Is there something else I could have done with this shot, or is it simply not that great of a shot?

They have one more indoor race in 2 weeks, so if there are specific things you would recommend I try/adjust, that would be awesome!  Thanks again!

maxxevv:
The 'context' meaning that the picture must be able to tell a story ... like what aspect of the race are you depicting here ? Someone trying to breakaway, someone struggling ? Someone having a strong race ? Or just the pure pace of the event ?

Panning in sports is more often than not under-estimated by most people. It takes a pretty fair level of skill to snap good panning shots. In my example "_MG_0570.jpg" was shot at 1/160, on a slow lens. Would suggest using what's available for lighting and tweak your shooting to it. I've shot as low as 1/50 but only if I have the space to move freely.

Note though, learn the idiosyncrasies of your camera's AF. I used to own the 40D and now I shoot with the 5DII. (the shot examples were on a 5DII). They both behave somewhat differently given similar situations and same lenses used. I find its easier to shoot in manual at night as lighting is never even, and can result in erratic exposure readings.  But.. do that if you know what you're doing. Else, AV, TV is preferred by most.

If you can't get high shutter speeds, do more panning. Do more head-on shots.  Get up close. 

If you must use flash, please don't flash into their faces/eyes. A side fill flash from a distance is perfectly fine though. As its hazardous in tight criterium races for cyclists if they even lose concentration for a split second from a head-on flash.

Here's 'Tinker' Juarez with the setting sun in the background and dim, dim evening light. Flash was used for fill and this was shot using an ultrawide 12-24mm on the 5DII. ISO was 1600, at 1/125 shutter. Just to illustrate the 'slight flash fill' ...

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/KangSw/Tinker%20Juarez/Tinker-Sunset-background.jpg?t=1242795211

87vr6:
I have a few comments, but not really about the pictures...

What kind of cycling event is that? It looks like indoor cyclocross do to the tires looking quite big... But to me, that would defeat the purpose of cyclocross itself...

Enlighten me please  :)

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