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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2017, 11:26:09 PM »
on the subject of an affordable big white zoom, i too was thinking that there was a need for something longer than 70-200, faster than the 100-400

you do realize that's the 200-400/4 and costs 11k or so?

400 f/4 and shooting at all longer than 400mm without a TC (with Canon glass) are the two explosive inflection points for price.

400 f/5.6 --> $1200
400 f/4 --> $6900 and up
Anything longer than 400mm at any speed without a teleconverter --> $9000 and up

An inexpensive 600mm f/5.6 IS or (more likely) a 150- or 200-600 f/5.6 zoom is sorely needed.  For reasons we've covered ad nauseam in other threads, what 'inexpensive' means probably is probably 2x what Sigma and Tamron are currently charging for their 150-600 lenses, because I believe they pull some f/6.3 shenanigans on the long end that Canon will never do with an EF lens.

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again, that's not faster than 400/5.6 on the long end of the 100-400 which was my comment.

"affordable" when talking big teles probably means under $3k, and no, that isn't going to happen in a zoom at 400/4, but it ought to be possible at 300/4, right?

The 300 f/4 IS L costs $1349 (it does need some serious updating as it has one of if not the oldest IS system in production)
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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2017, 11:26:09 PM »

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2017, 11:46:22 PM »
The 300 f/4 IS L costs $1349 (it does need some serious updating as it has one of if not the oldest IS system in production)

indeed, and that makes it an attractive option for those who don't mind it being a prime.

but to extrapolate from the price difference between the 70-200/f4L IS and the 70-200/f2.8L IS II (not scientific at all, but food for thought), making the 70-300/f4-5.6L IS a stop faster would take it from $1359 to $2288.  still in the same ballpark as the 70-200/2.8 plus 1.4x, but without the need to make lens changes in the field.

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #152 on: January 12, 2017, 04:29:36 AM »
Pardon the sarcasm, but I would say the 24-105mm f4 has the most need for updating.

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #153 on: January 12, 2017, 05:21:51 AM »
Pardon the sarcasm, but I would say the 24-105mm f4 has the most need for updating.
Ehhmmm it is not exactly sarcasm. I also believe this has been mentioned already in this thread  :)

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #154 on: January 12, 2017, 07:57:07 AM »
The 300 f/4 IS L costs $1349 (it does need some serious updating as it has one of if not the oldest IS system in production)

indeed, and that makes it an attractive option for those who don't mind it being a prime.

but to extrapolate from the price difference between the 70-200/f4L IS and the 70-200/f2.8L IS II (not scientific at all, but food for thought), making the 70-300/f4-5.6L IS a stop faster would take it from $1359 to $2288.  still in the same ballpark as the 70-200/2.8 plus 1.4x, but without the need to make lens changes in the field.

Now that is intriguing!  a 70-300 2.8-4 L would tempt me, if it would take extenders, not extend as does the current version and be sharper on the long end.  But my preference would be a 300 or 400mm prime.
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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #155 on: January 12, 2017, 07:35:28 PM »
I'd like to see a little improvement on the 85mm 1.8, namely the fringing that occurs between 1.8 and 2.2. Very good lens otherwise.

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« Reply #156 on: January 26, 2017, 12:03:30 PM »
I'd like to see a little improvement on the 85mm 1.8, namely the fringing that occurs between 1.8 and 2.2. Very good lens otherwise.

Go and try the 100 f2.0, unlike the 85 f.8, it's performance doesn't dive anything like as much wide open.   IMHO the 85 @2.8 is about equal to the 100 @2.0
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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #156 on: January 26, 2017, 12:03:30 PM »

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2017, 04:58:45 AM »
Can't pick any single one of them, but Canon needs to upgrade the low end 50mm, 85mm, and 100mm primes same as the 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm primes.

The 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II does such a good job for me, I sold the 85mm f/1.8. The zoom's IQ & IS make me pass on the extra stop, weight, and switching lenses.

I keep the 50mm f/1.4 because it has a two stops advantage on the EF 24-70mm f/2.8 and three on the EF 24-70/105mm f/4 IS.

Actually, the Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM ART is cheap enough, that I'm considering not waiting for Canon to make the upgrade, or buy the Sigma.

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2017, 06:12:17 AM »
ef 50mm f/2 Macro.  It has been discontinued.  Works great for food!

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2017, 11:27:47 AM »
i relalise they are 'noob' lenses, but i would like to see an updating of either or both of the 18-135 and 18-200.

whilst the latter reportedly has worse performance than the the former i got rid of the 18-135 because it doens't have a way to lock the lens so it kept extending when hanging at my side - may sound trivial but it became really annoying, and i didn't fancy messing about with elastic bands as some advised. Plus i wanted the longer zoom.

i know all about the limits on quality but the versatility for certain situations is so useful.

i realise 200's pushing it so may something inbetween, say an 18-175, (with lens lock!)  might be the answer?

also while we're here, any suggestion on other lenses that do a better job? i read about the Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC Macro OS HSM C lens, but not sure it's advantages are sufficiently better than the Canon to warrant the purchase?
 

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #160 on: January 28, 2017, 11:40:34 AM »
Can't pick any single one of them, but Canon needs to upgrade the low end 50mm, 85mm, and 100mm primes same as the 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm primes.

The 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II does such a good job for me, I sold the 85mm f/1.8. The zoom's IQ & IS make me pass on the extra stop, weight, and switching lenses.

I keep the 50mm f/1.4 because it has a two stops advantage on the EF 24-70mm f/2.8 and three on the EF 24-70/105mm f/4 IS.

Actually, the Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM ART is cheap enough, that I'm considering not waiting for Canon to make the upgrade, or buy the Sigma.

The 'low' 50 was just revised to the 50mm f/1.8 STM, lest we forget.  It's the 'middle' one -- the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- that is in desperate need of a corporate makeover.

But going all retrofocus and chasing Art / Otus resolution makes the lens huge / heavy / expensive, and that's best left for the next 50L.  I think Canon can make a 50mm in something like the 35mm f/2 IS USM footprint (hat's the 35mm f/2 IS body I've PS'd below) and keep it small, and I would strongly prefer that over a pickle jar form factor.

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2017, 12:32:53 PM »
Can't pick any single one of them, but Canon needs to upgrade the low end 50mm, 85mm, and 100mm primes same as the 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm primes.

The 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II does such a good job for me, I sold the 85mm f/1.8. The zoom's IQ & IS make me pass on the extra stop, weight, and switching lenses.

I keep the 50mm f/1.4 because it has a two stops advantage on the EF 24-70mm f/2.8 and three on the EF 24-70/105mm f/4 IS.

Actually, the Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM ART is cheap enough, that I'm considering not waiting for Canon to make the upgrade, or buy the Sigma.

The 'low' 50 was just revised to the 50mm f/1.8 STM, lest we forget.  It's the 'middle' one -- the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- that is in desperate need of a corporate makeover.

Point taken.

But going all retrofocus and chasing Art / Otus resolution makes the lens huge / heavy / expensive

The Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art is ~20% more expensive than the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM.

The Tamron SP 45mm f/1.8 VC is ~10% more expensive than the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM, and based on the digital picture, seems to have better IQ than the EF 50mm f/1.4

If I can get improved IQ + IS + same price bracket as the 35mm f/2 IS, I'll live with the size, weight, and even slightly smaller max aperture.

I think Canon can make a 50mm in something like the 35mm f/2 IS USM footprint (hat's the 35mm f/2 IS body I've PS'd below) and keep it small, and I would strongly prefer that over a pickle jar form factor.

I hope Canon can do it.

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #162 on: February 03, 2017, 03:11:23 PM »
Definitely 50 mm f/1.2!
It's going to happen soon I guess :) And will surely cause it cost more than 35 f/1.4 II :(

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #162 on: February 03, 2017, 03:11:23 PM »

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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #163 on: February 05, 2017, 01:53:15 PM »
Big White zooms (100-400, 200-400) --> the gaping hole in the lineup.  Those two lenses are terrific, but currently, those are all we have.  I flag as a red because there's no way to shoot Canon glass past 400mm on FF without the drawbacks of a teleconverter or some $9k leaving your pocket.  A 'modestly-priced' zoom option ($2-3k) up to 600mm is sorely needed, though many have done the 600mm / 5.6 math and doubt Canon can offer one so inexpensively.

I dunno. I suppose the whole premise is based on the assumption Canon should compete with every lens other manufacturers make, which may be fair enough (I personally don't think so). The -600mm zooms seem to be imperfect/significantly compromised: they don't really go to 600mm, they aren't f/5.6 at the long end, and they are pretty soft especially at the long end, so I've read. If you're on a very tight budget, they are a reasonable prospect, but they're hardly a headline product for a big manufacturer to show off. This has been discussed at length in other threads, but I think Canon is unlikely to bother. They have the 100-400 II, which will take the 1.4x extender and still AF on more and more bodies, and supposedly maintains reasonably IQ in doing so. There can't be a huge amount of profit in a £1000 150-600mm lens (say) in any case, so why bother? And the 600 f/5.6 maths is unavoidable.

I still think a 500mm f/5.6 IS is a reasonable lens to replace the 400 f/5.6, albeit at a higher price, but that's it for this segment (and it's obviously not a zoom - I think we've seen the long zooms that Canon will make for the foreseeable).
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Re: Which Canon lens is most in need of updating.
« Reply #164 on: February 05, 2017, 01:59:17 PM »
    • 180L Macro --> no idea what it's missing as I don't shoot with this or read much about it, but many people want a longer-than-100mm macro option for more working distance with more skittish or more dangerous subjects.

    Image stabilisation, simply put. For less money, you can get the Sigma which is a half stop wider and has 4-stop IS, and the image quality is superb. It's one area I would recommend a third party lens over a native one.
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