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I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts on this.  I am sure we all realize the immediate advantage of shooting everything in color, then post processing into B&W but why have Monochrome as a built in option on the EOS camera's?  Is there an advantage choosing Monochrome on the EOS Bodies over post processing the color RAW into B&W?

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 11:46:00 PM »
One obvious advantage would be B&W pics right out of the cam without post processing ;-)
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 12:01:35 AM »
I think being able to see how your photos look in B&W as you're taking them is a massive advantage while shooting, plus if you shoot RAW, you're always able to go back to colour once you bring the files into your computer. The only problem I've had with that is that what looks like visually pleasing grain-ish effect on high iso's in b&w translates to awful looking colour shots :p
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 12:04:22 AM »
PP gives you so much more freedom to go low key, high contrast, Sepia, color toning to BW so on and so forth.

As long as you set your camera to RAW +Jpeg, you can do both  :)
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 12:44:06 AM »
I really like setting it on Monochrome while shooting in RAW for the B&W preview on the screen. When you import the resultant files into Lightroom, their thumbnails appear B&W, but snap back to color the moment you view them (and can of course be made back into B&W with a single click). A lot of times a shot that I'm not a particular fan of in color has some cool compositional elements that really pop and make it a potential keeper in black and white. And of course with RAW, you can change your mind any time.  :)

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 12:55:12 AM »
Shoot in colour, process in NIK SilverEFX. It allows you to apply monochrome filters (great for bringing out the sky), adjust grain, and select specific film types depending on the look you want to achieve.

In the good old days of film we would do just that...pick the film that worked best for a specific application. If you choose the in-camera monochrome mode you will have to put up with an average conversion - or effectively the same film type for all your shots.

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 02:12:40 AM »
These are all good points in addition though, if shot in color under the same conditions, you can create a recipe and apply to all wanted images for B&W use within DPP via batch process.
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 03:07:12 AM »
It depends upon how much you are willing or able to do in post-processing. Conversion from color RAW to black and white shouldn't be a matter of just removing the color. There can be a lot of art and a lot of interactivity in the process. There is so much information hidden in that RAW file that is just begging to come out and if you use in-camera processing you're not getting the most out of your photos. Why be tied to what some engineers at Canon decided black and white should look like?

I suggest taking a look at this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Black-White-Photography-Techniques/dp/0470597755

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 05:04:17 AM »
Shoot in RAW and choose later

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 05:50:25 AM »
briansquibb is correct.  It's the colors in your original that store a huge number of the choices for your black and white editing.  This should answer your questions:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/bw_workflow_in_lightroom.shtml
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 07:41:48 AM »
Shoot in RAW and then use something like NIK SilverEFX.  If you are just using PhotoShop and converting to Monochrome, you are losing a TON of the details.  I just did a webinar hosted by NIK with Vincent Versace and was amazed at the differences a piece of software like NIK color effects makes compared to just taking an image and setting the mode to Monochrome (basic just removed Hue and Saturation and throws away more than 1/3rd the detail. 

I will also plead ignorant to whether shooting in B&W makes any difference in respect to what I am talking about, but I am making the assumption that it, like other styles, is just a style that is applied to the JPG, hence similar to the Monochrome conversion and losing detail.

really had my eyes opened the other day to just how much detail is in a Black and White image, and why some B&W really stand out and why others are dull.  Conversion is really not as straight forward as I originally thought

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 08:05:03 AM »
Shoot in RAW and then use something like NIK SilverEFX.  If you are just using PhotoShop and converting to Monochrome, you are losing a TON of the details.  I just did a webinar hosted by NIK with Vincent Versace and was amazed at the differences a piece of software like NIK color effects makes compared to just taking an image and setting the mode to Monochrome (basic just removed Hue and Saturation and throws away more than 1/3rd the detail. 

I will also plead ignorant to whether shooting in B&W makes any difference in respect to what I am talking about, but I am making the assumption that it, like other styles, is just a style that is applied to the JPG, hence similar to the Monochrome conversion and losing detail.

really had my eyes opened the other day to just how much detail is in a Black and White image, and why some B&W really stand out and why others are dull.  Conversion is really not as straight forward as I originally thought

+1 for that info Maui always liked the look of this software but never tried it, must give it a go.

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 08:18:10 AM »
Shoot in RAW because then you have much more flexibility to convert to B&W.  The more I try to do Black and White myself I realize how much more complex it is then I thought.  It can be much more then a simple conversion.  For example, to get a high contrast B&W, I often find the Lightroom B&W conversion quite boring!

I really love using PhotoShop for B&W personally using a gradient mask and sometime applying a unshapr mask to it (not always but for landscape I got good result with it...).

So I guess my point is by shooting in RAW you will be able to find the what conversion works for you, and get more satisfaction out of your picture taking  :D

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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 09:24:30 AM »
A good B&W relies on a lot of colour information. Many B&W digital specialists will actually increase saturation to the point of oversaturation before the conversion, to deepen the tones.
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 10:08:06 AM »
Like a lot of other people have said, it is better to get a preview in real-time of what it looks like in B&W.

And if you take hundreds/thousands of photos while on a vacation, how will you remember which ones you wanted in B&W when you get back to your computer?
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Re: EOS Bodies: Should I shoot in B&W? or shoot in Color then Convert to B&W?
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