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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2012, 02:14:37 PM »
available in april? I dont think so....

and 61 af points? that is not possible. People wont be buying the 1DX then. Id think its something more like 12

With 12pts and 22MP people won't be buying the 5D3 then and remember this needs to seem current until at least 2015 most likely.

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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
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« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2012, 02:17:30 PM »
Good evening to everyone!! This is my first post on this forum, and it happens to be a question...

How on earth is canon going to keep competition with nikon (provided the d800 is a 36mp camera) with a camera that's most likely going to have a 22mp sensor (regardless of other features)?? Is something wrong in this picture or it's just me?

It's not just you and that is why if it's not the 30MP body then it will need all these 7-7.5fps, 1DX AF type specs.

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« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2012, 02:20:05 PM »
I'll say it again. Even if 5D3 would come with 12 fps like de 1D X they know how to protect their nr.1 They learned a lesson from 1Ds.

I've said that myself, too.  But I'm also considering a different viewpoint - you said it: they learned a lesson from the 1DsIII.  When they released the original 5D, it was spec'd substantially lower than the then-current 1DsII, and the 5D sold well.  When they released the 5DII, it was spec'd lower than the 1DsIII but used the same sensor, and it sold like f'ing gangbusters.  Maybe the lesson they learned from the 1DsIII was to not bother protecting their #1, because a wildly popular 5-series is a cash cow.  It could be argued that Canon is already throwing #1 under the bus -
You're right. The 5D2 was a damn fat cow. I bet even if they wouldn't sold not even 2 1Ds bodies at the succes of the 5D2 they're not upset, by contrary they are happy :D

they had two 1-series bodies to meet the needs of different market segments, then they merged those two into the 1D X, knowing it would not satisfy both previous markets.
I said it earlier, they never emerged 1D with 1Ds. The 1D X is an evolution 1D. The "s" will reborn latter.
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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« Reply #93 on: February 02, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »
available in april? I dont think so....
and 61 af points? that is not possible. People wont be buying the 1DX then. Id think its something more like 12

I'll say it again. Even if 5D3 would come with 12 fps like de 1D X they know how to protect their nr.1 They learned a lesson from 1Ds.
Think only at the buffer level. If 1D X is capable of taking, let's say 100 jpegs in a row because of the buffer at 12 fps and 5D3 will take only 20 shoots at 7 fps and if you're a professional sport shooter, what would you choose ... the speed or the buffer ? In both cases 1D X wins hands down.
Pro AF, dual card slot, higher AF system, those are not cost effective that much.
In the end I think Canon learned from the Nikon strategy: give photographers what they'll need and they'll buy it.

Looking in Nikon's camp I'll bet that D800 and D4 aren't the only ones that we'll see. A D800 with a D4 sensor or something close is on the way. Think only that they are the first that put a small megapixel sensor in a professional body.

They could cripple the buffer so badly that the 7fps becomes only moderately useful, of course for those who dug into the specs, that wouldn't help the cam look so good (not that a truly humungous 1DX buffer would be expected either).

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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2012, 02:26:30 PM »
available in april? I dont think so....

and 61 af points? that is not possible. People wont be buying the 1DX then. Id think its something more like 12

With 12pts and 22MP people won't be buying the 5D3 then and remember this needs to seem current until at least 2015 most likely.

I don't need 12 fps, I don't need 36 mpx, I don't many other things.
Do you know I have a 5D2 with only 11 mpx ?! This is because I never use L or RAW, just sRAW1 which is good.
So I need a small megapixel sensor with (READ IT CANON) GREAT DR, GREAT ISO in a simple body with more direct accesible settings (buttons) and a GOOD AF in low light.
How can I use fixed lenses with a poor AF ?!
It's that hard ?!
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« Reply #95 on: February 02, 2012, 02:28:27 PM »
I can't believe the FPS or AF.

If they had said 5-ish fps, and 45 point AF; that I could have believed.

100% agree....the frame rate and AF points are not to be believed, not combined with 22 Mpix at a $2700 price tag.  It spits all over the 1Dx's market positioning if that's the actual specs, and this isn't going to be a full frame 7D either, at least not from a frame-rate and AF speed standpoint.

I'd be inclined to believe 5 fps, 19 AF pts, at 22 Mpix full frame, and native ISO to 25,600, expanded to 102,400.  Add a wi-fi option for 802.11N and many wedding/studio folks will be happy.

5fps, 19AF 7D AF, 22MP FF would get spit all over by D800 though I think.
If they didn't get a high MP sensor ready then I think it needs the specs listed on this rumor, otherwise forget it.

D800 isn't an Apples to Apples....the rumored specs for the D800 (per Nikon Rumors) has that camera at 36Mpix and 4 fps, and said to be $4000.


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« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2012, 02:30:10 PM »
But Canon's goal is to make money, total profit is what matters, not profit per camera line.  This may represent a strategic shift - combine the 1-series lines to a single body to reduce R&D costs, put top technology in an 'affordable' camera that to the casual eye looks a LOT like the top of the line pro camera, which boosts sales of that 5-series model (a great price for a baby 1D X), and the unit sales of the 5-series more than makes up for lost sales on the 1D X.

+1

If this new 5D or [n]D turns out to have these wishful specs and is still Canon's entry level FF with the affordable price tag, it's no brainer for a lot of wedding protogs and indie videographers.  They might not have the same high budget as those Olympics journalists have.

So it sounds like there will be $300-1200 price diff between Canon's and Nikon's (D800) entry-level FF.  And looks like Canon's one is more towards wedding protogs, whereas Nikon's one is more towards studio / architecture / landscape (landscape shooters will love the AA removal option) protogs.

Seems like there is no mentioning of ISO yet.  I hope its highest native ISO is at least 1 stop better than the rumored D800, given that they manage to have 6400 on a 36MP FF sensor.

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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2012, 02:30:10 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2012, 02:46:03 PM »
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What differentiates it from the 1DX?

Shutter / body life (let's say you need two 5Ds to get the life of a 1D, then you pay similarly), build (as in sealing, resistance and precision), 12 FPS, a larger battery life and more physical buttons for a more efficient workflow, dual card support.

A 1D is a camera like a Mercedes is a car (I'll keep the Bugatti Veyron comparison for medium format). They are for people who know what they want / need.


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These rumored specs seems too good to be true for $2700

Canon knows how well 5D2 sold, they know how much interest 5D3 has generated, they know that people will buy this body in droves. Ever since this website came to life, the 5D3 was the most expected thing; just look at this thread - 7 pages in a few hours, all threads about 5D3 have pages galore. Canon exists to make money. With these specs and this price they know that they will make more than with a lower specced body.



You should also remember that just before the tsunami, there was a rumor about the new 5D having a different sensor than the new 1D. Then again, it was just a rumor, like this one.

P.S. Come to think of it, I think that rumor didn't say 5D, but one other high-end body.
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« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2012, 02:50:52 PM »
Geeez!!! I post a few hours earlier and return to find several pages more. THat was quick. Even if this is a hot topic.

As for Canon putting out a "studio photography" oriented camera in the 5D3...with high MP...I REALLY hope not. Nikon is already doing that with their D800. I hope Canon does deliver a camera with the specs listed today + the same native ISO range of the 1D-X. If they do...I'm placing an order. :)

And I too don't believe in doing so the sales of the 1D-X will be affected in any way. There are design features and functionality that would only be found in a flagship camera. And a camera with a built-in portrait grip.

Hope we get some good news on the 28th.

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« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2012, 02:56:17 PM »
available in april? I dont think so....

For sure it is. Release date is April 1st. Trust me!  ;D

 We trust you!   ;D
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« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM »
I can't believe the FPS or AF.

If they had said 5-ish fps, and 45 point AF; that I could have believed.

100% agree....the frame rate and AF points are not to be believed, not combined with 22 Mpix at a $2700 price tag.  It spits all over the 1Dx's market positioning if that's the actual specs, and this isn't going to be a full frame 7D either, at least not from a frame-rate and AF speed standpoint.

I'd be inclined to believe 5 fps, 19 AF pts, at 22 Mpix full frame, and native ISO to 25,600, expanded to 102,400.  Add a wi-fi option for 802.11N and many wedding/studio folks will be happy.

5fps, 19AF 7D AF, 22MP FF would get spit all over by D800 though I think.
If they didn't get a high MP sensor ready then I think it needs the specs listed on this rumor, otherwise forget it.

D800 isn't an Apples to Apples....the rumored specs for the D800 (per Nikon Rumors) has that camera at 36Mpix and 4 fps, and said to be $4000.

and 6fps per second with grip in 16MP Nikon APS-C mode though and their best AF.
I suppose the $1300 difference isn't something to ignore though by any means.

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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2012, 03:19:29 PM »
Any possibility the announcement date will coincide with Focus on Imaging which is the biggest Photographic show in the UK and one of the biggest in Europe? Just a thought....

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« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »
I'll say it again. Even if 5D3 would come with 12 fps like de 1D X they know how to protect their nr.1 They learned a lesson from 1Ds.

I've said that myself, too.  But I'm also considering a different viewpoint - you said it: they learned a lesson from the 1DsIII.  When they released the original 5D, it was spec'd substantially lower than the then-current 1DsII, and the 5D sold well.  When they released the 5DII, it was spec'd lower than the 1DsIII but used the same sensor, and it sold like f'ing gangbusters.  Maybe the lesson they learned from the 1DsIII was to not bother protecting their #1, because a wildly popular 5-series is a cash cow.  It could be argued that Canon is already throwing #1 under the bus - they had two 1-series bodies to meet the needs of different market segments, then they merged those two into the 1D X, knowing it would not satisfy both previous markets.

+1 John: The 1Dx is a Halo product. It provides exclusivity to the Canon DSLR line. It contributes little in terms of Sales volumes, but creates volumes of sales for the other bodies in the line-up.
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Re: 5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]
« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »

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« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2012, 03:59:43 PM »
Lens wise, I hope it arrives with:
24-105/4L IS II (or 24-120/4L IS to match Nikon) for which there were rumors about a year ago that it would arrive with the 5D3
24-70/2.8L II (or IS, or better yet both ways like the 70-200s are) for which there have been endless rumors for MANY years
100-400L II (unlikely) for which there have been space rumors, but I would really like to see get a refresh (mostly coatings and 4-stop IS, perhaps a more traditional twisty zoom)

I would love to see a new 24-105 as well but I think the third lens in the mix might be the 35mm 1.4L II instead...

I would be happy with a 50mm 1.4 II

+1  It would be nice to have a new 50mm f/1.4 as a kit lens option for the EOS 25th Anniversary.
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« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2012, 04:08:16 PM »
Not everyone starts off at the bottom, there are also rich people who want toys with impressive spec sheets!

Sure...but I doubt they make a significant fraction of the demographic.  Still, I always wondered what he did with the reward money from the Rebel Alliance...

He probably bought a certain Protocol Droid -- so he could destroy it!  ;)
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