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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2017, 05:19:30 PM »
 ???
Why is no one else troubled by the fact that these images and the specs are identical to the G9 X, save for the swap-out of a DIGIC 6 image processor.  Is that it?  15+ months of R&D has resulted in Canon doing no more than a microprocessor upgrade?!
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2017, 05:19:58 PM »
What is the need for having 4k in a camera like this? Serious question, because I would imagine any ILC would be better suited then this.

Why?  Because iPhone.

Nice contribution!

Some reasons:
- Future proofing : You or your clients may not need 4k now but soon they will. I hate cutting in old sd footage. I will hate cutting in 1080.
- Room for post : Stabilizing footage without loss. This edit style is quite hot atm and it benefits greatly from 4k since there is alot of zooming, panning, rotating and cropping in post. https://vimeo.com/88224399 You can see some of the shots are not holding up.
- 1 camera 2 shots : Nice to have for interviews. Shoot 4k and deliver in hd so you can shoot a wide and tight shot at the same time.
- Often clients ask for still so they can make gfx like posters. 1080px is not alot to work with.
- It sells

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2017, 05:55:31 PM »
What is the need for having 4k in a camera like this? Serious question, because I would imagine any ILC would be better suited then this.

Why?  Because iPhone.

Nice contribution!

Some reasons:
- Future proofing : You or your clients may not need 4k now but soon they will. I hate cutting in old sd footage. I will hate cutting in 1080.
- Room for post : Stabilizing footage without loss. This edit style is quite hot atm and it benefits greatly from 4k since there is alot of zooming, panning, rotating and cropping in post. https://vimeo.com/88224399 You can see some of the shots are not holding up.
- 1 camera 2 shots : Nice to have for interviews. Shoot 4k and deliver in hd so you can shoot a wide and tight shot at the same time.
- Often clients ask for still so they can make gfx like posters. 1080px is not alot to work with.
- It sells

The question wasn't, "Why 4K?"  But thanks for answering that unasked question anyway!  Unless you think this is a camera intended for professionals, interviews, and such. Do you routinely or even occasionally use a point-n-shoot to capture video footage for clients?

The question is highlighted above, and since the camera in question is a P&S, and smartphones are gutting the P&S market, it would seem quite reasonable to include 4K. 
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2017, 06:41:15 PM »
???
Why is no one else troubled by the fact that these images and the specs are identical to the G9 X, save for the swap-out of a DIGIC 6 image processor.  Is that it?  15+ months of R&D has resulted in Canon doing no more than a microprocessor upgrade?!
G9 X: http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-powershot-g9-x-at-canon-usa/

We are troubled, but there's nothing much left to say. We all know it's a poor update that Canon seems very good at in the entry level area.

Canon's major issue is the fact the senior management are mostly 75-85 years old. These old fossils have long lost the plot and are from an ultraconservative era. They just don't get it. The head of Sony's imaging group is in his 40's and look at the goals they are kicking. Nikon I presume is not much better than Canon as they seem to make similar crazy decisions.

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2017, 06:51:23 PM »
Canon's major issue is the fact the senior management are mostly 75-85 years old. These old fossils have long lost the plot and are from an ultraconservative era. They just don't get it. The head of Sony's imaging group is in his 40's and look at the goals they are kicking. Nikon I presume is not much better than Canon as they seem to make similar crazy decisions.

LOL... 

Yes, let's look at those goals.  Sony imaging loses 25% y/y sales in 1H16 (nowhere nearly all attributable to the quake)...score.  Sony imaging raises full FY16 projection by 4%, meaning a projected y/y loss of 21% sales...score.  Sony loses more market share to Canon...SCORE.  It's Sony...for the win!!

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 06:56:38 PM »
Edit:

Etienne, let me ask you another question if you don't mind.

If this camera did come out with 4K, would you purchase this over other 4K options on the market? If so, why? is it only because of the pocketable package? I imagine things like the fixed lens, slow aperture, non-constant aperture, no manual focus, no manual aperture control, no flip screen etc, would make this not very desirable in the "video world."



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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 07:21:11 PM »
I might get this bad boy as a pocket camera for when just wanting something for the pocket (or a small belt case).
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 07:21:11 PM »

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2017, 07:26:36 PM »
I might get this bad boy as a pocket camera for when just wanting something for the pocket (or a small belt case).

For a pocket camera, a good option, but if you are considering a belt case, you may want to step up to the G7X II for the much faster lens and flip screen.   

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2017, 07:49:26 PM »
If it fits it ships (C) USPS.
I.e. if this camera fits in my pocket - it ships to my home address :) Very looking forward to it. The only question is how usable the f/4.9 at the tele end... Don't care about 4k-less. None of my TVs and projectors are 4k yet. Usable 1080p is definitely better than a crappy 4k.

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2017, 07:52:54 PM »
You have to give that to Canon - video is only 2 Megapixels, but photo now 2000 MP even in small cams. 

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2017, 08:19:47 PM »
What is the need for having 4k in a camera like this? Serious question, because I would imagine any ILC would be better suited then this.

Why?  Because iPhone.

Nice contribution!

Some reasons:
- Future proofing : You or your clients may not need 4k now but soon they will. I hate cutting in old sd footage. I will hate cutting in 1080.
- Room for post : Stabilizing footage without loss. This edit style is quite hot atm and it benefits greatly from 4k since there is alot of zooming, panning, rotating and cropping in post. https://vimeo.com/88224399 You can see some of the shots are not holding up.
- 1 camera 2 shots : Nice to have for interviews. Shoot 4k and deliver in hd so you can shoot a wide and tight shot at the same time.
- Often clients ask for still so they can make gfx like posters. 1080px is not alot to work with.
- It sells

The question wasn't, "Why 4K?"  But thanks for answering that unasked question anyway!  Unless you think this is a camera intended for professionals, interviews, and such. Do you routinely or even occasionally use a point-n-shoot to capture video footage for clients?

The question is highlighted above, and since the camera in question is a P&S, and smartphones are gutting the P&S market, it would seem quite reasonable to include 4K.

You are both right. 4K is eminently useful and a necessity for professionals. Many would consider buying this cam as a backup to their higher end gear that does shoot 4K video and if it does not do 4K the money might stay in their pocket. And, as was pointed out, Canon and other manufacturers have to give consumers a good reason to shell out money on a P&S when their iPhone has the same video specs and can *literally* fit in their pocket. And Canon's just too afraid of cannibalizing themselves to do that.

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2017, 09:20:56 PM »
 Canon's just too afraid of cannibalizing themselves to do that.
So don't expect 4k movie in non Cine Cameras before 2047 :)

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2017, 09:23:03 PM »
Canon's just too afraid of cannibalizing themselves to do that.
So don't expect 4k movie in non Cine Cameras before 2047 :)

So Canon will still be selling cameras in 30 years?  I had no idea you were such an optimist.
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2017, 10:03:48 PM »
Canon's major issue is the fact the senior management are mostly 75-85 years old. These old fossils have long lost the plot and are from an ultraconservative era. They just don't get it. The head of Sony's imaging group is in his 40's and look at the goals they are kicking. Nikon I presume is not much better than Canon as they seem to make similar crazy decisions.

LOL... 

Yes, let's look at those goals.  Sony imaging loses 25% y/y sales in 1H16 (nowhere nearly all attributable to the quake)...score.  Sony imaging raises full FY16 projection by 4%, meaning a projected y/y loss of 21% sales...score.  Sony loses more market share to Canon...SCORE.  It's Sony...for the win!!

 ::)

Hey I'm no Sony fan boy, but the camera market is a tough gig now. Everybody is struggling; sale figures for 2016 are grim across the board, and that has nothing to do with how good or bad Sony's cameras per se.

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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2017, 10:53:27 PM »
Canon's major issue is the fact the senior management are mostly 75-85 years old. These old fossils have long lost the plot and are from an ultraconservative era. They just don't get it. The head of Sony's imaging group is in his 40's and look at the goals they are kicking. Nikon I presume is not much better than Canon as they seem to make similar crazy decisions.

LOL... 

Yes, let's look at those goals.  Sony imaging loses 25% y/y sales in 1H16 (nowhere nearly all attributable to the quake)...score.  Sony imaging raises full FY16 projection by 4%, meaning a projected y/y loss of 21% sales...score.  Sony loses more market share to Canon...SCORE.  It's Sony...for the win!!

 ::)

Hey I'm no Sony fan boy, but the camera market is a tough gig now. Everybody is struggling; sale figures for 2016 are grim across the board, and that has nothing to do with how good or bad Sony's cameras per se.

Granted that this is a P&S thread, but for ILCs this year, Canon is predicting only a 1% drop, which given the overall market decline means big market share gains for Canon.
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Re: Images & Specifications of Canon PowerShot G9 X Mark II Leak Out
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