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Re: Canon EOS System Celebrates 30th Anniversary
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2017, 10:28:01 PM »
If Canon gave us a camera with all the features we asked for just like what Panasonic did for the GH5, it would definitely make alot of people upgrade their camera. Their latest cameras isn't worth the price for incremental upgrades. 

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2017, 10:28:01 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2017, 12:02:25 AM »
IMHO if Canon would put in body IS (not digital IS) into its enthusiast level DSLR and up. Remove the OLPF on all models and opt for a digital AA filter for video and Jpeg shooters and put true 4K into all its cameras, with various levels of bit rate depending on the model price point. DSLR sales would in fact increase..

But when you can get most of all this in a smart phone these days.. Why should they..  True low light and DoF are not there. But the average consumer does not have a clue or give two S___s about. They just want good easy photos..

Okay, you just explained why they should NOT follow your "humble" opinion. If the average consumer doesn't care about any of these features (and the average consumer certainly doesn't), and simply wants good, easy photos, then why on earth would anyone think that adding these bells and whistles that buyers don't want, would mean that "DSLR Sales would in fact increase?"

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Its just like Apple, claiming market is just not there for the average PC anymore...

Nice to know that you not only know more than Canon, but apparently more than Apple as well.

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Re: Canon EOS System Celebrates 30th Anniversary
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2017, 12:04:29 AM »
If Canon gave us a camera with all the features we asked for just like what Panasonic did for the GH5, it would definitely make alot of people upgrade their camera. Their latest cameras isn't worth the price for incremental upgrades.

Would that camera that "isn't worth the price" happen to be the same one that is currently the top selling full frame DSLR on Amazon?

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2017, 12:07:49 AM »
...the average-joe consumer is not going to buy a bigger, bulkier, and much-more-expensive camera when their iPhone does just fine.  I have zero problem that Canon is focusing on the enthusiast-professional market since those are the folks that will spend the money instead of trying to entice consumers that are tighter with their wallets.

Careful. That kind of realistic and rational attitude can be unpopular on this forum. Don't you know that Canon is doomed?

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2017, 06:39:20 AM »
I would like to see, although rumors are hinting on May/June, a 6DII announcement as a conclusion of their celebration...  8)
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2017, 07:37:01 AM »
would be excellent timing and opportunity to (finally) launch a spectacular "EOS 1X" mirrorless FF-sensored cam -  clearly exceeding 1Dx2 capabilities on all counts including AF system - of course with a new native (short flange distance) EF-X mount ... with dimensions and specs as carefully and wisely chosen and therefore as future-proof as the original EF mount back in 1987. would help in getting  maximum attention and marketing fanfare! might also help Canon to survive the next 30 years. :-)

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2017, 09:25:52 AM »
They lead a falling market, overall they too have seen falls in volume & profitability and innovation sometime radical is the only way to reverse a trend. As the trend shows currently DSLR sales are heading below peak SLR sales that's definitely not progress.

Well, that sounds so easy, I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.   ::)
I'm not implying its easy I know its not. They have one the largest new patent portfolios, R&D dollars well beyond most companies the fact is much of the new innovation is coming from start-ups (hence why companies like Apple & Google snap them up) but as Canon recently demonstrated with the 5D MKIV incremental advances that come at a steep price are not turn-ons to consumers with many options.
Apple have invested heavily in its camera team and two former colleagues that are experts in their field were employed to push the envelope maybe Canon needs to look outside of Japan.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2017, 09:25:52 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2017, 11:49:56 AM »
...as Canon recently demonstrated with the 5D MKIV incremental advances that come at a steep price are not turn-ons to consumers with many options...

How have they demonstrated that? By introducing a camera that is now Amazon's best selling full frame DSLR? Sounds like there are plenty of consumers "turned on" by the 5D IV.

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2017, 12:33:11 PM »
...as Canon recently demonstrated with the 5D MKIV incremental advances that come at a steep price are not turn-ons to consumers with many options...

How have they demonstrated that? By introducing a camera that is now Amazon's best selling full frame DSLR? Sounds like there are plenty of consumers "turned on" by the 5D IV.

You were expecting people to believe actual, verifiable fact over their own ill-informed opinion?  Here, of all places?   ;)
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2017, 04:45:39 PM »
Perhaps you need to go and read Canon Qtr 3 2016 financial statements.
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2017, 04:58:22 PM »
Perhaps you need to go and read Canon Qtr 3 2016 financial statements.

I have.  Have you?  If you answer yes, then you clearly need remedial education in reading comprehension.

http://www.canon.com/ir/results/2016/rslt2016q3e.pdf

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Within the Imaging System Business Unit, sales volume for interchangeable-lens digital cameras grew compared with same period of the previous year owing to healthy demand for the advanced-amateur-model EOS 80D and EOS 5D Mark IV digital SLR cameras...
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2017, 07:50:38 AM »
Apple have invested heavily in its camera team and two former colleagues that are experts in their field were employed to push the envelope maybe Canon needs to look outside of Japan.

An Apple camera?

I can just imagine...

It'll have rounded corners :)

It'll require some version of iOS that when updated, bricks it forcing you to buy another one... if there's enough memory left to do the update :)

No SD or CF card, only one proprietary port. It'll be offered with 3 memory choices at an outrageous premium.

Non-removable battery.

Only one fixed lens option will be available.

It'll probably retail for more than a Canon 5D IV

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2017, 10:00:39 AM »
If Canon gave us a camera with all the features we asked for just like what Panasonic did for the GH5, it would definitely make alot of people upgrade their camera. Their latest cameras isn't worth the price for incremental upgrades.

so you want canon to follow panasonic's lead who's marketshare has been declining hard and fast since they decided to roll with the video centric route?

makes sense to me.

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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2017, 10:01:37 AM »
Perhaps you need to go and read Canon Qtr 3 2016 financial statements.

the ones in which they sold more ILC"s than a year ago quarter? in the face of a declining ILC market?

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Re: Canon EOS System Celebrates 30th Anniversary
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2017, 11:01:39 AM »
you mean no second lens for my 12 y.o. son to take selfies and video chat? You have got to be kidding me? :)

Apple have invested heavily in its camera team and two former colleagues that are experts in their field were employed to push the envelope maybe Canon needs to look outside of Japan.

An Apple camera?

I can just imagine...

It'll have rounded corners :)

It'll require some version of iOS that when updated, bricks it forcing you to buy another one... if there's enough memory left to do the update :)

No SD or CF card, only one proprietary port. It'll be offered with 3 memory choices at an outrageous premium.

Non-removable battery.

Only one fixed lens option will be available.

It'll probably retail for more than a Canon 5D IV
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 11:03:40 AM by Alex_M »

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2017, 11:01:39 AM »