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Re: Latest 2016 Camera Sales Data from Japan - BCNRanking
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2017, 12:51:30 PM »
Nikon needs to bring out a new D810, as1 it seems that Nikon have lost their mojo somewhat.

Agree the D810 would be due for a replacement.  But I think it's less about mojo and more about strategy.

1) Nikon has not been sitting on its hands.  The D500 did not suck, and a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1,400 is something a lot of Canonites would give their left nut for.

2) Their failure in mirrorless was a prediction that smaller was the way to go, so they went with a minuscule sensor that didn't really shower itself with accolades.  It was a bad prediction.  But what compounded their error was further committing to the brand with a non-trivial proliferation of bodies and some added lenses before they realized cell phones could take nearly as good a picture.  Ouch.

Nikon will rebound, but they need an entire mirrorless reboot strategy, stronger video AF (with their SLRs in LiveView), and a tour de force update to the D810.

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Re: Latest 2016 Camera Sales Data from Japan - BCNRanking
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2017, 12:51:30 PM »

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Re: Canon #2 in mirrorless in Japan. BCN Rankings
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2017, 12:55:09 PM »
Canon continues to climb in mirrorless and stakes an even larger lead in DSLR's. Unit sales based upon store receipts.
Stupid Canon ;)

Yes. Imagine where they'd be, had they launched potent mirrorless systems for APS-C and FF. Nikon would already be bankrupt.

Ha, clearly for their target audience they did regarding the APS-C!

I believe Canon think the FF mirrorless market is still an extreme niche that they just aren't willing to cater for yet.
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Re: Canon #2 in mirrorless in Japan. BCN Rankings
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2017, 04:59:49 PM »
Yes. Imagine where they'd be, had they launched potent mirrorless systems for APS-C...

Ha, clearly for their target audience they did regarding the APS-C!

It's astounding how some people can just ignore reality even when it's slapping them upside the head.
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Re: Latest 2016 Camera Sales Data from Japan - BCNRanking
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2017, 05:51:08 PM »

1) Nikon has not been sitting on its hands.  The D500 did not suck, and a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1,400 is something a lot of Canonites would give their left nut for.


If you are after reach on a limited budget, the D500 and the 200-500 F5.6 combo blows any Canon combo in the same price range out of the water. The 7D2 and the D500 are a fairly even match (I would put the D500 ahead) as some features are better on one, and some are better on the other.... but for reach with a Canon lens at that price???? Nothing!

Yes, I am a Canon shooter, but I am neither blind or delusional. Nobody is ahead on everything and people need to evaluate based on their needs, not some opinion on the internet or a review site.... and when you evaluate, look at body, YOUR ergonomics, lenses, flashes, accessories, batteries, software, service, support, sealing..... everything!
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Re: Canon #2 in mirrorless in Japan. BCN Rankings
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2017, 06:12:33 PM »
Canon continues to climb in mirrorless and stakes an even larger lead in DSLR's. Unit sales based upon store receipts.
Stupid Canon ;)

Yes. Imagine where they'd be, had they launched potent mirrorless systems for APS-C and FF. Nikon would already be bankrupt.

How do you define potent?  Because I have a feeling it involves Canon offering an EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS STM.

Don't hold your breath -- with (seemingly) one hand behind their back and only 6 first-party EF-M lenses*, Canon has raced to 2nd place!  It's a minor miracle we even got a body with an integral viewfinder!

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Re: Latest 2016 Camera Sales Data from Japan - BCNRanking
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2017, 06:38:01 PM »
"potent" in this context means: had Canon launched the M5 along the 80D 2 years ago [in addition to M3] and priced it somewhat more sensibly rather than "premium", they would have sold an awful lot more EOS bodies and EF-M lenses by now.

In 2017 EOS M5 is still "underpowered" and definitely not a what I would consider a "potent" camera.

As far as EF-M lenses are concerned, the line-up is perfectly fine [except that missing 85/2.4 IS STM of course]. Only some review sites like dpr and a tiny minority are asking for all sorts of "fast primes" for a compact crop-sensor system. I happily prefer EF-M 6 lens lineup over all the Sony E-lenses combined and over all those crazy expensive Fuji lenses with their stupid manual aperture rings. Not surprised, that market likes EF-M glass: compact, optically decent to excellent and dirt cheap! Wonderful!   8)

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Re: Canon #2 in mirrorless in Japan. BCN Rankings
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2017, 09:40:09 AM »
Sony needs to find a way to sell more lens.

Maybe that's what the new A99 is about.

It is unclear whether their mirrorless platform (e-mount) is appropriate for long lenses, perhaps hence the vast array of standard focal lengths with scarce options above 100mm. You can't go on selling 35-85mm lenses forever, and if your platform sucks with supertele, you have to revive or introduce a different platform to sell supertele.
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Re: Canon #2 in mirrorless in Japan. BCN Rankings
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2017, 09:40:09 AM »