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Steve Balcombe

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 09:26:35 AM »
there is no need for a new 800mm F5,6

Please Canon build a 600mm F4,0 plus 1,4 Extender build in =  840mm F5,6

Or even better, a 600/4 DO 1.4x. The last big white you'll ever need to buy.

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 09:26:35 AM »

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2017, 09:35:45 AM »
there is no need for a new 800mm F5,6

Please Canon build a 600mm F4,0 plus 1,4 Extender build in =  840mm F5,6

I love the 200-400mm + Ext it is perfect !! Please follow this way with integrated Extender.

+1, an integral extender is enough innovation to encourage me to upgrade. I was especially interested in the rumor (patent reported here?) for the 400 2.8 DO + 1.4 and 1.7 integral TC's. Yes, it would still be big, heavy and expensive, but it would provide an amazing wildlife (non-avian) lens. A 600 4.0 DO w similar extenders would cover the avian space.

I could see a 600 f5.6 DO being a great option for avian pics on cropped sensors too. That would be light enough to differentiate from the f4.0.
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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2017, 11:20:41 AM »
I would like to see 500 f/5.6 & 400 f/4 IS L being added to lineup replacing the 300 f/4 IS L and 400 f/5.6 L. Both those lenses still sell like hot cakes and are in need of replacement soon.

There is a 400/4 IS already:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-400mm-f-4.0-DO-IS-II-USM-Lens.aspx
Thats a DO lens, and its too expensive for its performance and at the price you are better off with 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x TC. Since the advent of the 150-600mm lenses from Sigma and Tamron , that 400mm f/5.6L is the most dumped lens on used market and it can be found for around 45000Rs(~660$). I just hope we get update to those two old L lenses sooner.

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2017, 11:32:15 AM »
I just got my 200 F2 IS about 8 months ago.  IQ it's top notch... but compared to the 300 2.8 II the 200 F2 could improve "slightly" in the corners.  It already has a 4 stop IS but adding a mode 3 could help.  THEN I bet the most they could improve is about .4lbs lighter.
Yes, it is slight, but there is room for improvement. I have been ssooooo close to buying this lens so many times but always held back at the end. Maybe because I could never get over that the old 200mm f/1.8 just had a little better IQ (which I believe is due to its lead-based elements).

In the end it'll be another $6,000 lens and I paid 4k for mine and there is nothing wrong with it.  I will not upgrade my 200 any time soon.
I'd be very surprised if a newbie is worth the upgrade price. I took the 200mm f/2.0 for a run this December with the 5DIV and the results were simply great. Handling is also much better than the old model.

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2017, 01:55:23 PM »
400 f/5.6L no-IS is a specialty lens, still useful for hand-held bird-in-flight freehand panning photos. At 1.1 kg it is light and easy to hold, but one does need a lot of practice to get consistently good BIF photos. I can hand-hold it for 1/500 and faster photos, 1/100 with monopod or convenient improvised support, given burst mode on an APS-C camera.

I have had a lot of fun with this lens, for not much money.

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2017, 02:13:14 PM »
Hi NancyP, good to read that you get great results with the EF 400mm f/5.6L without IS.

But as you write, it requires a lot of practice to achieve repeatable results. I understand that weight is a deciding factor for panning with BIF, in particular the smaller birds (as I know from many failures).     ;)

But would the addition of the IS really add so much weight to the existing 400mm f/5.6L?

Having some feeling for Canon's pricing strategy, I expect it would probably increase the price a lot. And thus make it less achievable for many 'mortals'. But purely from the point of useability of the lens I think IS would hardly increase the wight but massively increase the number of keepers.
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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2017, 04:50:14 PM »
I don't think the 200 f2 can be improved much right now. My baby! is 9lbs and after a few minutes it's getting a lil tiring 😩 Even if they take 1lb off guess what, it'll be 8lbs and still tiring. The image is amazing, the stabilization is amazing at 5 stops to 1/8th second handheld for me, that can't be bettered right now so 💁

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2017, 04:50:14 PM »

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2017, 05:49:42 PM »
The 600/4 DO is surely a go and there are plenty of other patents suggesting others as well (like 500/4 500/5.6 800/5.6 etc.) who knows which will make it into production.


A 600 DO with builtin 1.4 or between yet 1.2 and 1.4 which could be independently selected or selected together to give 1.7 would be a winner (as long as IQ similar to the current 300 DO II)

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2017, 06:03:50 PM »
I don't think the 200 f2 can be improved much right now. My baby! is 9lbs and after a few minutes it's getting a lil tiring 😩 Even if they take 1lb off guess what, it'll be 8lbs and still tiring. The image is amazing, the stabilization is amazing at 5 stops to 1/8th second handheld for me, that can't be bettered right now so 💁

aww... I have twins... big baby and a little baby :)


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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2017, 06:14:55 PM »
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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2017, 04:47:34 AM »
aww... I have twins... big baby and a little baby :)

Are you sure they are twins? The size and the race seem to be different ;)

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2017, 06:18:24 AM »
Thats a DO lens, and its too expensive for its performance and at the price you are better off with 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x TC.

Actually for many people that's not true. Yes the 400 DO is £1000 more (only £650 if you factor in the cost of an extender), but it's smaller, lighter by over 500 g than the 300 plus 1.4x, and AF performance is better due to no extender. I have the 300, and the main reason I haven't switched (yet) is the 3.3 m minimum focusing distance which is a concern for small birds, reptiles etc. - and I may still relent on that.

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2017, 06:42:36 AM »

Thats a DO lens, and its too expensive for its performance and at the price you are better off with 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x TC.

That is a very broad generalisation and is related only to image quality, not its real-world use. The 400 plus 1.4tc gives you 560mm f5.6 - the 300mm plus 2xtc gives you 600mm at f5.6 with the negatives that a 2xtc bring. And the 400mm gives you the option of going to 800mm.
So which part of the 'performance' do you think it is too expensive for....? For me, the 300mm would not do 90% of the stuff I have used the 400mm DO for since I got it.
If I were doing athletics or soccer, or photographing big wildlife, the 300mm would probably have been sufficient for me. But it ain't. 

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2017, 06:42:36 AM »

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2017, 07:39:16 AM »

Thats a DO lens, and its too expensive for its performance and at the price you are better off with 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x TC.

That is a very broad generalisation and is related only to image quality, not its real-world use. The 400 plus 1.4tc gives you 560mm f5.6 - the 300mm plus 2xtc gives you 600mm at f5.6 with the negatives that a 2xtc bring. And the 400mm gives you the option of going to 800mm.
So which part of the 'performance' do you think it is too expensive for....? For me, the 300mm would not do 90% of the stuff I have used the 400mm DO for since I got it.
If I were doing athletics or soccer, or photographing big wildlife, the 300mm would probably have been sufficient for me. But it ain't.
+1 plus  300 +1.4 (latest editions) have less IQ than 400DO II with no teleconverter. For anyone not believing this they can check lensrentals article:

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/01/more-canon-400m-do-ii-comparisons/

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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2017, 08:47:58 AM »
I would like to see 500 f/5.6 & 400 f/4 IS L being added to lineup replacing the 300 f/4 IS L and 400 f/5.6 L. Both those lenses still sell like hot cakes and are in need of replacement soon.

There is a 400/4 IS already:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-400mm-f-4.0-DO-IS-II-USM-Lens.aspx
Thats a DO lens, and its too expensive for its performance and at the price you are better off with 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x TC. Since the advent of the 150-600mm lenses from Sigma and Tamron , that 400mm f/5.6L is the most dumped lens on used market and it can be found for around 45000Rs(~660$). I just hope we get update to those two old L lenses sooner.

I would disagree that one is always better off with 300/1.4.  I had both and I sold off the 300 after comparing the two.  The 400DOII at 400 is sharper than the 300/1.4.  The 400/1.4 at 560 is sharper than the 300/2x at 600.  The bare 400 is about equal to the bare 300....the bare 300 may have a slight edge but basically meaingless in real world results.

There is really only one decision one has to make....do you want the option to shoot 800 f/8 or the option to shoot 300 f/2.8?  I chose 800 f/8 because of the 1DX2 makes focusing with that combo just as fast and with all the AF options as previous cameras did at f/5.6.  Because I mainly do birds, 300mm is rarely used.

Also the 400 is lighter and smaller by a little bit.

So in the end I disagree with your statement and I can speak from first hand experience with both lenses.  Have you owned either of them?
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Re: Another Mention of Big White Lens Revisions [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2017, 08:47:58 AM »