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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #210 on: February 08, 2012, 05:31:15 PM »
Canon has officially gone completely mental!!!

The new 24-70 II is  3 5 0 0  usd in Norway and the UK, that is TWICE what the old one is, wtf Canon???

But it doesn't matter, the last 6 lenses Canon released is clearly not going to be sold, we've been waiting a year for them. The 1d X is nowhere to be seen, except for some frikkin sucky promo pictures...

Getting pretty tired of Canon releasing stuff that we never see in actual real life....

Is that twice the mrsp or the street vs mrsp??

New, in store as of now, mk1 = 1735 usd

Available in april price tag mkII= 3500 usd
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #210 on: February 08, 2012, 05:31:15 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #211 on: February 08, 2012, 05:34:42 PM »
Canon has officially gone completely mental!!!

The new 24-70 II is  3 5 0 0  usd in Norway and the UK, that is TWICE what the old one is, wtf Canon???

But it doesn't matter, the last 6 lenses Canon released is clearly not going to be sold, we've been waiting a year for them. The 1d X is nowhere to be seen, except for some frikkin sucky promo pictures...

Getting pretty tired of Canon releasing stuff that we never see in actual real life....

Is that twice the mrsp or the street vs mrsp??

New, in store as of now, mk1 = 1735 usd

Available in april price tag mkII= 3500 usd

So look to a buy price of about 2500 then ....

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #212 on: February 08, 2012, 05:42:54 PM »
Going to throw out a prediction -

The next 70-200mm f/2.8 will have an 82mm filter (not that I think it is or should be anytime soon).

Evidence:
72mm - 20-35mm f/2.8L USM (1989), 28-80mm F/2.8-4L USM (1989), 80-200mm f/2.8L (1989)
77mm - 17-35mm f/2.8L USM (1996), 16-35mm f/2.8L USM (2001), 28-70mm f/2.8L USM (1993), 24-70mm f/2.8L (2002),
     70-200mm f/2.8L (1995, 2001 - IS, 2010 - IS II)
82mm - 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II (2006), 24-70mm f/2.8L USM II (2012)

Sound logical
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #213 on: February 08, 2012, 05:51:30 PM »
Canon has officially gone completely mental!!!

The new 24-70 II is  3 5 0 0  usd in Norway and the UK, that is TWICE what the old one is, wtf Canon???

But it doesn't matter, the last 6 lenses Canon released is clearly not going to be sold, we've been waiting a year for them. The 1d X is nowhere to be seen, except for some frikkin sucky promo pictures...

Getting pretty tired of Canon releasing stuff that we never see in actual real life....

Is that twice the mrsp or the street vs mrsp??

New, in store as of now, mk1 = 1735 usd

Available in april price tag mkII= 3500 usd

So look to a buy price of about 2500 then ....

Say what? a thousand dollars down? Neh, I don't think so, the 70-200 II is still at the suggested retail (3200 usd)
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #214 on: February 08, 2012, 05:56:52 PM »
The more I look at those MTF charts, the more I'm amazed by them. My initial response was exactly WTF?!?!? But seriously, look at those charts. It's better all across the way, but at the edges the improvements are monstrous. I'm guessing this will outperform practically every prime that exists. If you're stopping down your 1.xx primes to over 2, you might just be way way better off with this lens.

briansquibb

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #215 on: February 08, 2012, 06:11:16 PM »

Say what? a thousand dollars down? Neh, I don't think so, the 70-200 II is still at the suggested retail (3200 usd)

Perhaps a holiday in the UK then? - 70-200II is only 1869 gbp here
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-canon-ef-70-200mm-f2-8-l-is-ii-usm-lens/p1518838

Current 24-70 is only 995 gbp
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-canon-ef-24-70mm-f2-8-l-usm-lens/p12835

I would estimate the new 24-70 to be about the same as the 70-200II  - about 1600-1800 gbp

Brian

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #216 on: February 08, 2012, 06:19:50 PM »
The more I look at those MTF charts, the more I'm amazed by them. My initial response was exactly WTF?!?!? But seriously, look at those charts. It's better all across the way, but at the edges the improvements are monstrous. I'm guessing this will outperform practically every prime that exists. If you're stopping down your 1.xx primes to over 2, you might just be way way better off with this lens.

Really?
the 24 f1.4 II
the 35 f1.4
the 50 f1.2

i dunno its hard to make comparisons from charts but it will be interesting to see the pics when they hit the street. Might make me reconsider it as an option if it really is that good. I was never impressed with the original so there was alot of room for improvement
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #216 on: February 08, 2012, 06:19:50 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #217 on: February 08, 2012, 06:24:51 PM »

Say what? a thousand dollars down? Neh, I don't think so, the 70-200 II is still at the suggested retail (3200 usd)

Perhaps a holiday in the UK then? - 70-200II is only 1869 gbp here
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-canon-ef-70-200mm-f2-8-l-is-ii-usm-lens/p1518838

Current 24-70 is only 995 gbp
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-canon-ef-24-70mm-f2-8-l-usm-lens/p12835

I would estimate the new 24-70 to be about the same as the 70-200II  - about 1600-1800 gbp

Brian

Hopefully , you're right:

http://www.parkcameras.com/23301/Canon-EF-24-70mm-f-2-8L-II-USM.html?referrer=Froogle+&utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=pid23301
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #218 on: February 08, 2012, 06:29:07 PM »
Anyone else seen that the 24-70 II has 9 aperture blades? Maybe it will have both sharper focused parts and better smoother bokeh.

No doubt it will be wonderful, but the loss of the wonderful zoom design with effective lens hood all across , and MUCH less protection of the barrel with the new one and no IS and very expensive 82mm filters (which I certainly do not own already) and this price makes it harder to sell... IF they can make IS in the wide primes, why not in the most popular standard zoom?
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #219 on: February 08, 2012, 06:34:45 PM »
I don't think this lens needs IS at all. But it is a given that Nikon and others are going to put similar technology in their refresh of their lenses which are much closer to reality than the markIII of this lens..... Canon may be stuck without IS on this lens for quite a long time...

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #220 on: February 08, 2012, 07:46:58 PM »
The more I look at those MTF charts... If you're stopping down your 1.xx primes to over 2, you might just be way way better off with this lens.

Really?
the 24 f1.4 II
the 35 f1.4
the 50 f1.2

It really is hard to make comparisons based on charts, Wombat, but the MTFs on the 24-70 are way better than each of those lenses. Here's there 35/1.4. The others aren't that much different.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #221 on: February 08, 2012, 09:31:33 PM »
true, I am looking forward to testing it out and seeing how it stacks up i've been seriously considering the 24 f1.4 II for a while I think i'll see how these 2 go head to head
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #222 on: February 09, 2012, 04:04:34 AM »
true, I am looking forward to testing it out and seeing how it stacks up i've been seriously considering the 24 f1.4 II for a while I think i'll see how these 2 go head to head

I think I can tell you now that the 24 will let in a tad more light and perhaps some decrease in depth ;D
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #222 on: February 09, 2012, 04:04:34 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #223 on: February 09, 2012, 05:57:36 AM »
Anyone else seen that the 24-70 II has 9 aperture blades? Maybe it will have both sharper focused parts and better smoother bokeh.

No doubt it will be wonderful, but the loss of the wonderful zoom design with effective lens hood all across , and MUCH less protection of the barrel with the new one and no IS and very expensive 82mm filters (which I certainly do not own already) and this price makes it harder to sell... IF they can make IS in the wide primes, why not in the most popular standard zoom?

Anyone have any ideas why it no longer reverse zooms? Why wouldn't they keep that part...

=/

I'm not very strong on the technical side, so I'll need help with explanations...



(Also, with a reverse zoom couldn't you technically encase the whole thing in an extended barrel, and "turn" it into an internal zooming lens? no doubt a very long, and heavy one, but still.... again, not technically strong =P)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2012, 05:59:29 AM by D.Sim »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #224 on: February 09, 2012, 09:37:00 AM »
Think about it?  How many L series lenses actually have IS?   The mkI 24-70 was my first piece of L glass, and before buying it I went back and forth between the 24-105 and the 24-70, debating whether I wanted 2.8 or IS.  When it came down to it, I decided to just turn off the IS on the kit lens and see what happened.  No IS wasn't a real problem until I got real low in SS.  It got me to thinking, really, when am I going to be shooting people, or really anything at all under 1/10th of a second without a tripod?  So I went with the 24-70 and haven't missed IS one bit.  I became confident enough without IS that i also bought a 10-22 no IS, and the 70-200 2.8 no IS (and mind you, I'm shooting on a 7D, so the 70-200 is effectively a 110-320mm)...

So in short, the only short-coming I can see with the mk11 is the change in filter thread size which puts someone with 2 other lenses at 77mm thread in a pickle for filter investment (maybe I need to get a step up ring, and make the investment in 82mm filters?).
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #224 on: February 09, 2012, 09:37:00 AM »