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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #255 on: February 10, 2012, 03:18:16 PM »

 but the focus of the development seems to have been diverted to video. The C300 and the four $40,000 CN-E lenses are where that lead went.

I didn't want a 35mp 5D MkIII  I wanted a 500 mm f4 I could actually afford, nice upgrade but horrid price. Lastly, I personally, don't want any R&D going on a video orientated EOS, at least until that two generation DSLR lead is back.

 No, sorry, Canon is running off the stills rails, just look at any CPS emailed product survey, it is so slanted it just asks questions in a way to get the answers they want to hear.

I agree with you on many of these fronts, I feel your pain, and that of every member here who has been waiting for an update especially a 5D update. Personally video to me is a gimmick, not the reason I buy DSLR's.... Canon should not forsake it's core support base, if it is focussing so much on Video. (I am happy for the video guys though).

Also, why is it a Taboo on this board to provide healthy criticism so that Canon can make a better product, you almost always get smitten for it... The guys that tell it like it is get hazed... sometimes I feel we have zealots lurking here, practising behaviour modification with their applaud/smite cattle prods.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #255 on: February 10, 2012, 03:18:16 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #256 on: February 10, 2012, 03:39:33 PM »

 but the focus of the development seems to have been diverted to video. The C300 and the four $40,000 CN-E lenses are where that lead went.

I didn't want a 35mp 5D MkIII  I wanted a 500 mm f4 I could actually afford, nice upgrade but horrid price. Lastly, I personally, don't want any R&D going on a video orientated EOS, at least until that two generation DSLR lead is back.

 No, sorry, Canon is running off the stills rails, just look at any CPS emailed product survey, it is so slanted it just asks questions in a way to get the answers they want to hear.

Also, why is it a Taboo on this board to provide healthy criticism so that Canon can make a better product, you almost always get smitten for it... The guys that tell it like it is get hazed... sometimes I feel we have zealots lurking here, practising behaviour modification with their applaud/smite cattle prods.

Well said. You sir get an applaud for this one.


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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #257 on: February 10, 2012, 04:08:09 PM »
Perhaps we need to stop judging the performance of the D800 until full reviews are done - and compared to the Canon new line up - not the 4 year old 5DII

Compared to 'the Canon new line up' would be nice...but currently, that consists of the 1D X, and only the 1D X.  That should really be compared to the D4, leaving us to compare the D800 to the Canon EOS.....  Oh, wait, there's just the 1D X.   :o

C'mon, Canon...make with the announcements!  Please, give us a camera that will allow us to speculate on whether or not it will outresolve these new lenses...a camera the EF mount lenses will actually mount onto, I mean...

Patience is a virtue that sometimes has a large payback. Unless one is losing money then there is no benefit in getting stressed over comparisons of a product that has not been tested and a product that hasn't been announced.

Let us wait until we see the tested line up. Certainly no point in jumping ship and losing money on existing kit only to find the new Canon means the Nikon kit is inferior - and then what do you do?jump back again and lose another bunch of money? or suffer with inferior kit for another 2 or 3 years.

I suggest relaxing for 2 months with the existing kit, getting the best you can from it. When the new kit has been test then make a new long term plan.

Neither the 5DII nor the 1Ds3 can be considered poor.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #258 on: February 10, 2012, 04:59:15 PM »
"Neither the 5DII nor the 1Ds3 can be considered poor."

The 5D MkII is an embarrassing joke when compared to the D800, it is a poor stills performer when compared to the D700 unless you need the MP, and lets be honest most people don't most of the time. AF, response, customization, flash capability etc are all better on the D700, if you need your DSLR primarily for stills and web output or 14"x21" prints or smaller the 5D MkII offers nothing over the D700.



I think you have missed the point here - I said that neither the 5DII nor the 1Ds3 can be considered poor

The IQ they produce is excellent - way beyond the needs of all but a few.

Now you are trying to compare them with a D800 - a body that has not had a review yet - although already we are getting reports of unacceptable noise from the samples released.

The advantages that you list for the D700 are quite frankly nothing more than you expect from newer techology, although flash control? (that sounds dubious as it does everything that any EOS does - unless you mean a built in controller) and response?? what is that? AF we have discussed to death - most 5DII users seem to find it OK - it works happily in most situations and is still the best in class in low light (for the centre point). Seems to me that the 5DII weaknesses keep getting trotted out and every iteration makes its minor limitations sound more like a major flaw. 

'unless you need the MP, and lets be honest most people don't most of the time' - have you evidence of this? I certainly use the MP - for composition onto different media sizes for example

I am suggesting relaxing for a couple of months to see what comes along from Canon - as everyone knows it will - and come to your conclusion after seeing comparative reviews.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #259 on: February 11, 2012, 12:00:11 AM »
Field testing, anyone? :)



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« Reply #260 on: February 11, 2012, 01:11:53 AM »
Field testing, anyone? :)



Is that you? If so, we want details!

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« Reply #261 on: February 11, 2012, 02:13:48 AM »
Field testing, anyone? :)

http://i.imgur.com/kNWbZ.jpg

Is that you? If so, we want details!

It belongs to my dear friend.

What would you like to know?

Initial impressions: Almost all the issues the mark I had is gone.
Quite a bit of the heft is gone. Still feels solid.
Focuses ... I could say ... faster than my 70-200 II.
Very, very sharp at all focal lengths.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #261 on: February 11, 2012, 02:13:48 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #262 on: February 11, 2012, 02:57:21 AM »
Initial impressions: Almost all the issues the mark I had is gone.
Quite a bit of the heft is gone. Still feels solid.
Focuses ... I could say ... faster than my 70-200 II.
Very, very sharp at all focal lengths.

Sounds as good as it gets!

Any high res samples you can share?   ;)

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #263 on: February 11, 2012, 03:04:02 AM »
Maybe Canon has become a virtual company?

All I see are things being released that looks awesome, but can't be bought in the first year after release...

At least not the case for this 24-70 2.8 II that is available for pre-order at many places (B&H even shows estimated availability on Apr 17)...

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #264 on: February 11, 2012, 06:07:06 AM »
Field testing, anyone? :)

http://i.imgur.com/kNWbZ.jpg

Is that you? If so, we want details!

It belongs to my dear friend.

What would you like to know?

Initial impressions: Almost all the issues the mark I had is gone.
Quite a bit of the heft is gone. Still feels solid.
Focuses ... I could say ... faster than my 70-200 II.
Very, very sharp at all focal lengths.

I want one.  How did your friend get it so early?

How sharp is it compared to the 70-200 Mark II?  Same?

Any idea why the lens specs aren't printed on the ring?

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #265 on: February 11, 2012, 07:30:49 AM »
Any idea why the lens specs aren't printed on the ring?

They had no other use for the 5mm of real estate they added to the filter ring.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #266 on: February 11, 2012, 07:44:28 AM »
Lucky you kapanak!  I dont supposed you have high res file to share?  This new lens does seem to get more interesting every day!   :P :P :P
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #267 on: February 11, 2012, 07:49:38 AM »
Any idea why the lens specs aren't printed on the ring?

And how about reflections caused by the specs when used with a filter? Not that I know that there will be refections. Just wondering if there could be!

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #268 on: February 11, 2012, 08:32:41 AM »
Does it change lenght when zooming? It would suck if the sunshade moves back and forward...
Field curvature gone?

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« Reply #269 on: February 11, 2012, 08:50:02 AM »
Does it change lenght when zooming? It would suck if the sunshade moves back and forward...
Field curvature gone?

Yes, it extends out to 70mm and the hood goes along, just like the 24-105mm and other typical zooms.  Means the MkI's hood effectiveness at all focal lengths is gone with the MkII.

I do hope the field curvature is one of the things they fixed!
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #269 on: February 11, 2012, 08:50:02 AM »