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Record Sales from Sony Driving Growth in Overall Full-Frame Market

SAN DIEGO, April 14, 2017 – Sony Electronics – a worldwide leader in digital imaging and the world’s largest image sensor manufacturer, has announced today that their continued growth has vaulted them into the #2 overall position in the U.S. full-frame interchangeable lens camera market. 1

Sony’s interchangeable lens cameras and lenses have seen record sales in 2017, in particular within the U.S. full-frame camera market, where they have experienced double-digit growth (+23%) 2 compared to the same period last year.  The popularity of key models including α7RII and α7SII has been paramount to this success.

Additionally, Sony’s rapid growth has helped to drive growth of the overall full-frame interchangeable lens camera market compared to the same period last year.  Without Sony’s contributions, the full-frame market would be facing a slight decline. 3

“Our commitment to the industry is stronger than ever,” said Neal Manowitz, VP of Digital Imaging at Sony North America. “We are always listening to our customers, combining their feedback with our intense passion for innovation to deliver products, services and support like no other.”

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It blows my mind how many websites have picked up the story but haven't bothered to look into it. Sony is claiming to have seized the number two position in revenue. The Nikon lineup as a whole is cheaper and older. Either of those factors could account for lower revenue but both of them together almost assures it.
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Poor Nikon.

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As Noted in the other thread, this is for a narrow period during which Sony had a blowout sale, $300 off plus $480 trade-in for any junk camera or lens.  $780 off.  This likely allowed them to sell down a lot of inventory that was not moving.  The hope in doing this is that users will like their new camera, and spread the word.  Otherwise, sales will slow down, since so many in the marked jumped at the deal.


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This is deceptive without the footnotes.

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1. The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan- Feb 2017

2. The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan/Feb 2016- Jan/Feb 2017

3. The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan/Feb 2016- Jan/Feb 2017

So, reading the footnotes, Sony sold the most full frame detachable lens cameras from January to February of this year -- either a one- or two-month period.

Sony increased its own sales by 23% over the last year, while other manufacturers were essentially flat (-2%).  That might be impressive, except we don't really know enough to form a comparison. The survey is based on sales prices. Sony's sales in dollars went up 23%, and other manufacturers were essentially flat.

But, it's hard to get a decent picture without knowing the total dollar value of Sony's sales or of other manufacturers' sales. If you sold $100 worth one year and then increased it to $123, that's 23%, but if other manufacturers are selling $100 million, then it's not so impressive.

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Way too isolated collection of data to mean anything to anyone outside of Sony. I wouldn't take it seriously. And it is data coming from a country that managed to elect a certain special someone fairly recently - at times, logic and knowledge don't seem to be important for the choices made.

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Looks like Sony cherry picked data from a narrow window of time, when heavily discounted sales was going on (per Mt. Spokane) to show they have eclipsed Nikon as #2.  Personally, I'd like to look at longer term sales data.
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It blows my mind how many websites have picked up the story but haven't bothered to look into it. Sony is claiming to have seized the number two position in revenue. The Nikon lineup as a whole is cheaper and older. Either of those factors could account for lower revenue but both of them together almost assures it.

Hence?
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Since the FF Nikons use Sony sensors, it's maybe possible Sony is even #1 is FF sensor sales.  But in any event, who buys cameras in January and February?  Seems like they'd be very slow months, and Sony found a way to breath some life into them.

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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
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Looks like Sony cherry picked data from a narrow window of time, when heavily discounted sales was going on (per Mt. Spokane) to show they have eclipsed Nikon as #2.  Personally, I'd like to look at longer term sales data.

You can bet that Sony won't show it, unless its favorable.

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Thanks for the dislikes and the free speech...

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Thanks for the dislikes and the free speech...

You should realize that this is a private forum, there is no free speech. 

Political comments are forbidden in the forum because it just causes problems.


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This is deceptive without the footnotes.

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1. The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan- Feb 2017

2. The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan/Feb 2016- Jan/Feb 2017

3. The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan/Feb 2016- Jan/Feb 2017

So, reading the footnotes, Sony sold the most full frame detachable lens cameras from January to February of this year -- either a one- or two-month period.

Sony increased its own sales by 23% over the last year, while other manufacturers were essentially flat (-2%).  That might be impressive, except we don't really know enough to form a comparison. The survey is based on sales prices. Sony's sales in dollars went up 23%, and other manufacturers were essentially flat.

But, it's hard to get a decent picture without knowing the total dollar value of Sony's sales or of other manufacturers' sales. If you sold $100 worth one year and then increased it to $123, that's 23%, but if other manufacturers are selling $100 million, then it's not so impressive.
Fully agree. Sony is mixing different things, by reporting value in $ for two months (NOT unit sales), therefore likely a local extremum. Then they present a graph showing _lens_ sale increase over the whole year, giving the impression to be in front of Nikon both in sales and units (lenses + bodies) for not just a moment in time. Additionally, the graph implies that the market would shrink without Sony being in the game, neglecting that a non-negligible percentage of the customers would have bought Canikon gear instead.
Pretty cheap marketing in my personal opinion.

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As Noted in the other thread, this is for a narrow period during which Sony had a blowout sale, $300 off plus $480 trade-in for any junk camera or lens.  $780 off.  This likely allowed them to sell down a lot of inventory that was not moving.  The hope in doing this is that users will like their new camera, and spread the word.  Otherwise, sales will slow down, since so many in the marked jumped at the deal.

Except of course that their next models are likely going to start hitting the market soon. No doubt you believe that the release of newer more sophisticated cameras will cause sales to crater.

More likely sales will spike when that happens (as they always do when the next generation of a camera model comes out)

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