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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2017, 09:03:09 PM »
If you don't need a large aperture 50mm, don't rule out the Canon 50mm f/2.5 macro lens. It is super sharp, and has virtually no distortion.  Focus is noisy, but so what, and it doesn't cost much.
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2017, 09:03:09 PM »

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2017, 03:20:53 AM »
Another oft-overlooked benefit of the 50mm f/2.5 compact macro is that it is one of the very few non L-lenses
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2017, 08:41:17 AM »
If one is looking at the 50 f2.5, which is discontinued, have a look at the Zeiss 50 f2.0mp also, gorgeous lens, also with 1:2 macro.
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2017, 10:08:23 PM »
Have there been any more samples released from the 85 L IS? A quick google search didn't throw up many leads, I thought there would be some photographers Canon would have given it to to build up the hype but maybe I'm wrong.

I would love to see a head to head comparison with it and the 1.2 II.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2017, 04:12:40 AM »
Have there been any more samples released from the 85 L IS? A quick google search didn't throw up many leads, I thought there would be some photographers Canon would have given it to to build up the hype but maybe I'm wrong.

I would love to see a head to head comparison with it and the 1.2 II.

+1, i can't find anything else than what was first released...
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2017, 04:24:40 AM »
Have there been any more samples released from the 85 L IS? A quick google search didn't throw up many leads, I thought there would be some photographers Canon would have given it to to build up the hype but maybe I'm wrong.

I would love to see a head to head comparison with it and the 1.2 II.

+1, i can't find anything else than what was first released...

I want some reasonably useful test pictures too. Something that says anything about the quality you can expect from this lens. I've got an offer on a used 1.2 II for $900 and would really like to know what way to go.
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2017, 05:54:06 AM »
Have there been any more samples released from the 85 L IS? A quick google search didn't throw up many leads, I thought there would be some photographers Canon would have given it to to build up the hype but maybe I'm wrong.

I would love to see a head to head comparison with it and the 1.2 II.

+1, i can't find anything else than what was first released...

I dare say that all the early photos we'll see after the "unboxing" vids...will be lots of ducks...in a pond...

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2017, 05:54:06 AM »

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2017, 05:23:35 PM »
My Canon 85 1.2L II is up for sale, I want to get the 1.4.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2017, 01:59:15 AM »
If you find yourself stopping down to 1.4 then the 1.4L IS would be my choice.
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2017, 10:05:28 AM »
Have there been any more samples released from the 85 L IS? A quick google search didn't throw up many leads, I thought there would be some photographers Canon would have given it to to build up the hype but maybe I'm wrong.

I would love to see a head to head comparison with it and the 1.2 II.

+1, i can't find anything else than what was first released...

I want some reasonably useful test pictures too. Something that says anything about the quality you can expect from this lens. I've got an offer on a used 1.2 II for $900 and would really like to know what way to go.
I believe $900 is very good price for 85 1.2 II to ignore.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2017, 11:42:39 AM »
If you find yourself stopping down to 1.4 then the 1.4L IS would be my choice.
But then you won't have 1.2...

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2017, 03:50:10 PM »
I am genuinly confused about people keep talking about using IS for freezing the moment for indoor sports like valley ball. Do I miss somethjing here? The only way to "stabilise" a fast moving subject is to increase shutter speed and usually well above 1/500s. at this shutter speed therer is no need for IS at 85mm focal length.
even at 1/250s you still do not need and even at 1/125s if you shoot with a medium pixel density body.
IS is very usefull for video.

as to the idea shooting moving subject with 85mm lens at F1.4:

I wouls suggest the DOF may be so thin that very little will be in focus at all. I mean there are some cases when you can if your object is far enough for the DOF to stay acceptably deep.

as to those special studio shots at F1.2:

not many photogs would choose to shoot wide open in studio. you need decent DOF to keep your subject in focus hence you shoot at apertures F8 and even smaller. there is no shortage of good quality light in studio. you do not need IS for that either as stobes will freese the moment for you anyway. in fact you will be better of swtiching the IS in studio off.
and finaly 85 F1.2 AF ability in low light is quite poor and some studios are quite dark.

If you shoot environmental portraiture, then F1.2 comes handy though.



Is there a case to be argued for owning both the 85mm F1.2L ii and the new 85mm F1.4?
The new F1.4 lens has some clear advantages - it is lighter (slightly), has IS, faster AF and presumably less chromatic aberration. On the other hand - although the F1.2 ii is difficult to handle it produces some remarkable images that are unlike anything I can produce with any of my other lenses.
Do I go for the F1.4 for moving subjects, outdoor use or more general photography and keep the F1.2 just for extra special studio portraits or is this just a symptom my acute GAS flaring up again?
No - Image Stabilisation will not help with moving subjects. It simply allows you to use slower shutter speeds for hand held stills and, as you correctly point out, it is very useful for video work.
The point I was trying to make here was that the autofocus on the 85mm F1.2L is so slow that it is not possible to use it for moving subjects. The AF just cannot keep up so I never try to use my 85m F1.2L if the subject is  moving. It is therefore a lens that I use mainly in the studio, for still life shots and for models that sit or stand in one place.
Again, I rarely shoot at F1.2 because my focusing skills are just not that good and anyway, if I am shooting a portrait I usually want most of the facial features to be in focus. Occasionally I will use F1.2 to highlight a particular feature - one number on the face of a clock or an item of jewellery that the model is wearing but for general portrait work I tend to stop down to F5.6 or even F8.
So what is the point of having an F1.2 lens? Well as I said, occasionally I want to produce an arty shot where one item is in focus and everything else is blurred. However there is another, intangible quality to this lens that I simply cannot explain. It is not a lens that is technically perfect but it has produced some really lovely pictures that I could not have produced with any other lens

I would suggest that one can use a 1.2 or 1.4 aperture for outdoor sporting events if one is parallel to the action and you want to Pan the subject to create blur (requiring slower shutter-speeds and native (low) ISO - just prefocus manually at the distance the subject will be from you...think horse racing, NASCAR, any type of event where you want to isolate the subject and create background blur. As long as you are 50 or more feet from the object, the DOF, even at 1.2 should be sufficient to capture proper focus. At the end of the day, I think both of these two 85mm offerings from Canon will appeal to pro's with slightly different needs. I can't imagine the new lens beating the rendering that the 1.2 has. In fact, the only other lens(es) that comes close (or may exceed, depending on personal preference) is the Zeiss Otus 85mm 1.4 and the new Zeiss Milvus 85mm 1.4. See Brian's review at TDP or Dustin Abbott's reviews.

The new 1.4 from Canon will definitely have a market - I'm guessing it will have a balance between the uber sharpness of the Sigma 85 Art and the rendering of the current 1.2 from Canon. And even Sigma here has begun to deliver more with the overall rendering from their Art series - especially with the brand new 135mm.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2017, 04:37:59 PM »

The new 1.4 from Canon will definitely have a market - I'm guessing it will have a balance between the uber sharpness of the Sigma 85 Art and the rendering of the current 1.2 from Canon. And even Sigma here has begun to deliver more with the overall rendering from their Art series - especially with the brand new 135mm.
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The Sigma Art 135mm is alleged to be one of the sharpest lenses on the planet (see lenstip review).  I don't own the lens, but if this is true, then Sigma did not give up any sharpness to achieve the overall rendering of this lens. Canon on the other hand may be willing to sacrifice some sharpness for other lens qualities (like weight).
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2017, 04:37:59 PM »

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2017, 07:59:47 PM »
I googled this lens again to see if we have had any updates and found this video from August:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujXKLUD9OuI

Is that Vietnamese? Can anyone here translate?

I found no updates or sample images - I still find it strange that we aren't seeing more hype. There was definitely more hype of the 35L II with some samples appearing on flickr etc. but I can't find anything for this lens. I am beginning to think Canon might have been honest when they said that this isn't intended to replace the 85/1.2 as the flagship. That might explain why the price wasn't as over-the-top as many expected and of course the price it starts at will decline after a while.

The question has to be whether the price being lower than expected is simply because 1.4 is so much easier to build than 1.2 or whether they have cut corners somewhere else. I struggle to imagine an L lens in such a popular focal length, one with IS too, that surely Canon will be hoping to sell huge numbers to wedding photographers and other professionals, will be anything less than amazing. But if that's so it still seems odd that they are continuing to sell the 1.2 (and at a higher price than the new lens) and aren't showing off more samples from the new lens.

I suppose we will know soon enough!

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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2017, 05:31:02 AM »
I googled this lens again to see if we have had any updates and found this video from August:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujXKLUD9OuI

Is that Vietnamese? Can anyone here translate?

I found no updates or sample images - I still find it strange that we aren't seeing more hype. There was definitely more hype of the 35L II with some samples appearing on flickr etc. but I can't find anything for this lens. I am beginning to think Canon might have been honest when they said that this isn't intended to replace the 85/1.2 as the flagship. That might explain why the price wasn't as over-the-top as many expected and of course the price it starts at will decline after a while.

The question has to be whether the price being lower than expected is simply because 1.4 is so much easier to build than 1.2 or whether they have cut corners somewhere else. I struggle to imagine an L lens in such a popular focal length, one with IS too, that surely Canon will be hoping to sell huge numbers to wedding photographers and other professionals, will be anything less than amazing. But if that's so it still seems odd that they are continuing to sell the 1.2 (and at a higher price than the new lens) and aren't showing off more samples from the new lens.

I suppose we will know soon enough!
I absolutely think can mean to sell it in between the two other 85's, the price alone is proof of that. A new top 85 would be more expensive.

I also wonder why there is no info other than the initial stuff. I'm buying one, but the wait gets crazy long when I have anything to check out while I'm waiting  ;D
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Re: 85mm f/1.2L II or 85mm f/1.4L IS?
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2017, 05:31:02 AM »