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Re: What's Next? Lenses & Cameras
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2012, 09:37:23 AM »
On one end there would be a high-MP camera for landscape/studio photographers, meant to compete against the new Nikon.  As someone pointed out, a 40MP camera would also be the right size for 4x4 oversampling - very convenient for top-notch video performance.  For this market, it should be possible to sacrifice high-ISO and FPS performance - that is not the primary need of the potential customers for this one.

Yea, I can see that. With the 24-70 NO-IS release yesterday, I bet canon wants to make sure that the 4K video folks have a decent lens. And from what I am told, IS is not so good on video.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2012, 09:48:27 AM »
I'm in for a 4k, 40mp, for $4k  :D May change my mind if it doesn't have a raw codec. 4k doesn't mean anything to me if its highly compressed. I prefer raw 1080p over compressed 4k for sure.

Also, I know this is a long shot and hasn't been mentioned at all, but if Canon could somehow squeeze in 120fps at full HD for us, that would be AWESOME :D
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2012, 09:51:39 AM »
Thom Hogan believes "Nikon and Canon came to a similar conclusion: amateurs need more pixels, pros probably don't." - quoted from
http://bythom.com/2011%20Nikon%20News.htm

If Thom Hogan is right, I wonder if the 40+ MP FF camera is going to be packaged in a Rebel-like camera? :D Just curious...

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2012, 09:51:58 AM »
On one end there would be a high-MP camera for landscape/studio photographers, meant to compete against the new Nikon.  As someone pointed out, a 40MP camera would also be the right size for 4x4 oversampling - very convenient for top-notch video performance.  For this market, it should be possible to sacrifice high-ISO and FPS performance - that is not the primary need of the potential customers for this one.

Yea, I can see that. With the 24-70 NO-IS release yesterday, I bet canon wants to make sure that the 4K video folks have a decent lens. And from what I am told, IS is not so good on video.

Why not? The 100LMacroIS is really good. If people don't like IS, they can turn it off. I can't see paying so much for the new 24-70 w/o IS. The price is too high.

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2012, 10:00:10 AM »
you know what, i don't really care about these bodies because i can't afford them for now and i might be wrong but we have already great bodies available ;) But a great lens, affordable and  weather sealed that i can use for wildlife photography that's what i'm waiting for !

Of course i'm talking about new versions of the 300 f/4 L IS (since 1997), 400 f/5.6 L (since 1993) and even 100-400 f/4-5.6 L IS (since 1998).

And i think (i should say i hope) one of them is coming this year 8)
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2012, 10:18:26 AM »
Hell Yeah! Canon, keep them coming :D
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2012, 10:31:49 AM »
I just think this thinking takes for granted that companies always follow the same gameplan. What we've learned from the last 5 months from CanoNikon is that they don't. They release models. Then leapfrog them. They retreat on some specs. Some specs get turned up to 11. Other fizzle at a 3 or 4. They don't add obvious enhancements (IS to a standard L zoom lens??) then add the enhancement in the strangest places (28 and 24mm non-L lenses??).

I think the whole thing is very unpredictable. All we have to go on are a couple of very good pictures taken int he field of a protoype (near finished) Canon model that looks like it merges the features of a the 7D and 5DII into one body. The rumors suggest 22-24 mpx. Why Canon wouldn't use it's 18mpx sensor it developed for the 1Dx, I have no idea. Why Canon wouldn't recognize the needs of a large segment of photographers and up the resolution beyond 21mpx meaningfully, I have no idea.

Why do either of these companies do what they do is in many ways beyond me. But I don't run them, make decisions for them, or even serve on any focus groups for them.

All I know is Nikon just released the camera I want and I preorderd. And Canon hasn't shown its cards.

Regarding bodies, what I hope Canon will do is to introduce two new bodies this year, and the rumours suggesting that there are different prototypes being tested make me hope this might even be the case - after all Canon probably realizes it cannot make everyone happy with a single offering.

So, if I speculate about what Canon might be offering in the $2700-$4500 range, this is what I would predict:

On one end there would be a high-MP camera for landscape/studio photographers, meant to compete against the new Nikon.  As someone pointed out, a 40MP camera would also be the right size for 4x4 oversampling - very convenient for top-notch video performance.  For this market, it should be possible to sacrifice high-ISO and FPS performance - that is not the primary need of the potential customers for this one.

The other camera would be the "junior" version of the 1DX - a little less of everything.  Smaller body, single Digic, single card, 22 MPs, and maybe 6-7 fps, but with a much improved focus system compared to 5DII and a very-good high-ISO performance.  Some people might see this as a FF upgrade for 7D users as well.

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2012, 10:40:32 AM »
I want an APS-C body with 90 mpx to get the most of the EF-S 18-200 ;-) Just kidding!
As a macro photographer I have more than enough with 18/22 mpx FF, I wish the improvements come in the DR and ISO
Would love if they made a camera with real ISO 50 for ultra low noise
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2012, 10:49:38 AM »
I'm in for a 4k, 40mp, for $4k  :D May change my mind if it doesn't have a raw codec. 4k doesn't mean anything to me if its highly compressed. I prefer raw 1080p over compressed 4k for sure.
Assuming the same compression-factor as for raw-images (5D 12,8MP -> ~11-12Mb raw-filesize) a single 4k-raw-frame would be around 8Mb times 24 frames per second would yield mind-bogging 192Mb/s. Even with dual-CF-cards still a challenge. Not to mention the processing-power needed therefore. I think, this won't be cheap. I think the 4k-raw will be someting for the C300 successor.

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Also, I know this is a long shot and hasn't been mentioned at all, but if Canon could somehow squeeze in 120fps at full HD for us, that would be AWESOME :D
Again, assuming you are wishing for raw, HD means about 2Mb raw per frame, times 120 gives 240Mb/s. Draw your own conclusions.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2012, 10:51:35 AM »
I did want to note quickly that the 24mm f/2.8 patent that was previously published was for a different lens.
  • The patent had optical elements with an index of refraction that varied with the radius from center of the optical element. There is no evidence that this technology was applied to the just-announced 24mm f/2.8.
  • The patented lens had no IS.

Instead, I don't think that the patent filings for the new 24mm f/2.8 IS and 28mm f/2.8 IS are public yet.

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2012, 11:05:07 AM »
Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2012, 11:20:01 AM »
Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be.

I doubt people are selling "like crazy" when Canon hasn't made their move yet. More than one body will likely appear, not only 5Dmk3.

I kind of like the theory of a lower cost all-around 5Dmk3 (baby 1DX, or basically a 5Dmk2 with good AF and improved ISO), and a more specialized and more expensive video high res studio / landscape camera (more expensive than D800 but a bit cooler specs, and less expensive than 1Ds/D3x were). It seems like that combo would please just about every forum-goer :-). I'd buy the high res one.
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2012, 11:24:34 AM »
Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

Yeah, it's insane - people were flipping over cars and burning down buildings trying to find buyers for their Canon gear, but no one is buying!!!  This is the end of Canon!!!  OMG!!!  The entire Canon company is going to go under because you don't like their newest three lenses!!!
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2012, 11:44:41 AM »
yer dumb...

Take your name calling elsewhere, we don't need it here.


Woah.  Wasn't being serious, just a joke.

Also, why don't you read where he posted the exact same thing in another part of the forum.  There, people are passive aggressively saying that he is dumb. I am just jokingly saying upfront.
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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2012, 12:03:18 PM »
Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

A lot of back and forth is good.  The better Nikon does the better Canon has to put out to one up them.

I think neither company can put a crippled AF system in any of their FF bodies anymore and that is ultimately a good thing.  I think if Canon is not putting there best foot forward (IE worrying about cannibalizing their own sales more than the competition) than they deserve to lose market share.
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