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Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« on: May 29, 2017, 10:38:59 AM »
Two images of the upcoming Canon EOS C200 4K cinema camera have leaked out ahead of the announcement. It’s interesting and maybe a little confusing that this camera wasn’t announced at NAB this past April, but that shouldn’t matter once it rolls out. We expect it to be a popular camera if pricing is “affordable”. No word on whether or not the EOS C100 Mark II will remain current.

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Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« on: May 29, 2017, 10:38:59 AM »

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 11:43:57 AM »
Interesting- looks like it has a CFast AND two SD card slots.

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 12:09:13 PM »
I'm ready for this! ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2017, 12:13:54 PM »
anyone else notice it doesn't say 4K on the camera body?

oops nevermind.. so it does.. had to play where's waldo on that one.

blows my mind when someone says that canon "cripples" 4k on DSLR's because of these cameras.

Right. Look at the engineering and ergonomic differences, like a DSLR is really in competition.
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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2017, 12:37:41 PM »
Prediction: $9,999. Priced between C100M2 and C300M2.

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2017, 01:11:41 PM »
I like it. If they put 4k 60p in this little sucker and not add it to the C300 MKII, I might get a bit pissed. Lol. But this will be perfect to compete with the FS5 and FS7. $8999-$9999 would be a good price point.

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 01:39:44 PM »
I see it is more gimbal friendly. it is  more box like and has xlr input and and  joystick and record on the  body in better spots

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 01:39:44 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 03:40:26 PM »
Looks promising. Looking forward to more details

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 06:49:37 PM »
Looks great. My guess is $ 7,999 or $8,499. I do really hope I don't have to wait long for a C100 Mk III though...for what I do at weddings this is too big and unwieldy...forced to use the top handle for the LCD, XLR inputs on body beefing it up, etc.
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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 10:00:18 PM »
I do really hope I don't have to wait long for a C100 Mk III though...for what I do at weddings this is too big and unwieldy...forced to use the top handle for the LCD, XLR inputs on body beefing it up, etc.

I did an overlay with the current C300 mark II, and this thing looks pretty small to me. Probably 1.5 inches less tall, and maybe 3/4" skinnier..a tad shorter front to back. Probably about the size of the original C300 (which seems like a toy in my hands next to my mark ii). The handle will come off and you should be able to install the monitor directly on the body...(note the identical thumbscrews...)

I think the most interesting thing is the return of the old XL series thumbwheel controller. I've missed that thing. Curious to see the specs. This should make a great back up camera for the C300 MKII, and become the new wedding cam du Jour. I'll bet this completely replaces the C100 (or rather the c100 stays in the line up and dies a slow painful death).

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2017, 10:49:25 PM »
This should make a great back up camera for the C300 MKII, and become the new wedding cam du Jour. I'll bet this completely replaces the C100 (or rather the c100 stays in the line up and dies a slow painful death).

For my sake, I sure hope you're wrong! haha. Personally I think it'll prove too expensive to be the wedding cinema camera. The wedding market still pays a higher average price for a wedding photographer than videographer (for couples who get both), yet we don't get 5D prices on the cinema line - the C200 will just take too long to show an ROI (for me, at least). I also don't know anybody who shoots weddings with a FS7 or even FS5 (I'm sure they are out there), but all the top Sony wedding guys I know are on the A7s/r II. Maybe the wedding film market is just not on Canon's radar, but I firmly believe they need to continue the C100 line at the sub ~$5k mark. I'm sure the handful of the top studios will jump on the C200 (as they did the the 1dC), but I don't see guys like me on the C100 willing to pay more.

That said, I'm already dolling over this despite not knowing the specs  ;D  Maybe Canon will surprise us all and price it aggressively around $6k? That would certainly shake the industry up. Not holding my breath.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 08:14:56 AM »
This should make a great back up camera for the C300 MKII, and become the new wedding cam du Jour. I'll bet this completely replaces the C100 (or rather the c100 stays in the line up and dies a slow painful death).

For my sake, I sure hope you're wrong! haha. Personally I think it'll prove too expensive to be the wedding cinema camera. The wedding market still pays a higher average price for a wedding photographer than videographer (for couples who get both), yet we don't get 5D prices on the cinema line - the C200 will just take too long to show an ROI (for me, at least). I also don't know anybody who shoots weddings with a FS7 or even FS5 (I'm sure they are out there), but all the top Sony wedding guys I know are on the A7s/r II. Maybe the wedding film market is just not on Canon's radar, but I firmly believe they need to continue the C100 line at the sub ~$5k mark. I'm sure the handful of the top studios will jump on the C200 (as they did the the 1dC), but I don't see guys like me on the C100 willing to pay more.

That said, I'm already dolling over this despite not knowing the specs  ;D  Maybe Canon will surprise us all and price it aggressively around $6k? That would certainly shake the industry up. Not holding my breath.

I use a FS5, along with a A6300 and 2 A7SII's. When it comes to lowlight, the A7SII's are absolutely needed. Sometimes I can't light parts of the reception, so I have to go natural, and those cameras are literally insane on how good they are in pitch black. The FS5 to me is a great camera to film weddings with, since I can hook up a shotgun mic to it, only need 2 batteries for 10+ hours, built in ND filters, super slow motion, etc.

It's a dedicated video camera, and that's what I was looking for. I have a C100 as well, but don't use it just because the Sony cameras to me are just all around better.

This camera will be great. Having said that, the price will probably be ridiculous, and it will lack some major feature if I had to take a guess. I hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot, I would love to see this be around $5k or less and be better than the C100II and be right under the C300.

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 09:58:51 AM »
what about this camera will be worse than the c300 mk2 is the question. The answer should be nothing considering the competition. This should be a 4,000-5,000 camera...leaning more toward 4,000 bc it will only shoot 4k in 29.97p. When the A9S is released will the price of this camera look silly? This is coming from someone who owns a 1dx, 1dx mk2 and 5dsr.

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 09:58:51 AM »

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2017, 10:10:24 AM »
This should make a great back up camera for the C300 MKII, and become the new wedding cam du Jour. I'll bet this completely replaces the C100 (or rather the c100 stays in the line up and dies a slow painful death).

For my sake, I sure hope you're wrong! haha. Personally I think it'll prove too expensive to be the wedding cinema camera. The wedding market still pays a higher average price for a wedding photographer than videographer (for couples who get both), yet we don't get 5D prices on the cinema line - the C200 will just take too long to show an ROI (for me, at least). I also don't know anybody who shoots weddings with a FS7 or even FS5 (I'm sure they are out there), but all the top Sony wedding guys I know are on the A7s/r II. Maybe the wedding film market is just not on Canon's radar, but I firmly believe they need to continue the C100 line at the sub ~$5k mark. I'm sure the handful of the top studios will jump on the C200 (as they did the the 1dC), but I don't see guys like me on the C100 willing to pay more.

That said, I'm already dolling over this despite not knowing the specs  ;D  Maybe Canon will surprise us all and price it aggressively around $6k? That would certainly shake the industry up. Not holding my breath.

I use a FS5, along with a A6300 and 2 A7SII's. When it comes to lowlight, the A7SII's are absolutely needed. Sometimes I can't light parts of the reception, so I have to go natural, and those cameras are literally insane on how good they are in pitch black. The FS5 to me is a great camera to film weddings with, since I can hook up a shotgun mic to it, only need 2 batteries for 10+ hours, built in ND filters, super slow motion, etc.

It's a dedicated video camera, and that's what I was looking for. I have a C100 as well, but don't use it just because the Sony cameras to me are just all around better.

This camera will be great. Having said that, the price will probably be ridiculous, and it will lack some major feature if I had to take a guess. I hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot, I would love to see this be around $5k or less and be better than the C100II and be right under the C300.

Just noticed something kinda huge. If these photos are accurate, we appear to be looking at a camera with an "optional" EFV. (note the rear view with a plate where the EVF should go. This could be a boon to the wedding guys in terms of pricing (one of the reasons the FS7 came in at such a low price initially was it's lack of a true EVF -- a 2-5k add-on on most cameras). My guess is we're gonna see options with and without it, and so pricing across a range say from $5.9k-8.5k. Also, one could spend that money on properly placed zacuto eye or maybe even the canon pro EVF. I think for me the key is where they start differentiating this thing from the  C300II. Right now it's looking like the main diff is a single Cfast slot and less connectivity. I gotta think they will do something regarding the codecs (nix the 12bit or 10bit 4k) or Log Gammas (perhaps nixing Clog2 but keeping clog3?), and I wouldn't rule out a 4k 60 mode just to quiet the sony laughter if they don't --they did this with the C100mkII getting 1080p60 before the C300.)

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Re: Canon Cinema EOS C200 Pics Leak Ahead of Announcement
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 10:39:58 AM »
what about this camera will be worse than the c300 mk2 is the question. The answer should be nothing considering the competition. This should be a 4,000-5,000 camera...leaning more toward 4,000 bc it will only shoot 4k in 29.97p. When the A9S is released will the price of this camera look silly? This is coming from someone who owns a 1dx, 1dx mk2 and 5dsr.

:-). Thanks for quoting your gear because is illuminates the dividing line that makes up the industry right now. Folks on the DSLR/Mirrorless side (I was one once ) can't understand why video cameras are so expensive, especially when their beloved sony mirrorless does  a thousand frames a second at ISO (infinity sign that CR doesn't recognize) -- really...it does...just look a little deeper in the menus, I kid you not :-)

The reality is that "real" video cameras simply contain a host of technologies ---physical hardware-- that simply won't or don't fit on a stills hybrid camera. Articulating EVFs, on-board quality sound and connectivity, professional monitoring connectivity, mechanical ND filter systems, heat sinks and ventilation. Each one of these items cost's money on the manufacturing side and adds functionality to the user.

I guess, now that I live on the dark (video ) side, I might ask you why you spent $6k on a 20Mp dslr that doesn't have a proper EVF, monitors through something called "live view", has a single 1/8" mic input and no physical sound controls, lacks ND filters, SDI connections and shoots 4k to something called "motion jpeg"......and yet you'd still expect a camera with all that hardware to cost $2k less. (and yes I'm aware that the only thing that matters is 120fps and iso 409,600.)

All love and light here. I just think a little perspective as to what is "silly" in the camera world, is appropriate.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 10:39:58 AM »