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Re: Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]
« Reply #390 on: June 17, 2017, 06:09:06 PM »
Good FF stills camera. They met my main requirement with the AF improvement.  Assuming it has at least as good high ISO performance I am a buyer.
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Re: Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]
« Reply #390 on: June 17, 2017, 06:09:06 PM »

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Re: Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]
« Reply #391 on: June 18, 2017, 12:31:04 PM »
Ok, here's a question.

All of you complaining that it won't do 4K, well, that would no doubt have added to the cost, who knows how much, but let's do a quick poll.

Would you pay $50 more for 4k? $100 more?  $200 more?

I'd be quite ready to pay $100 more.  Seriously, and I don't shoot video at all.  I'd rather be a bit more out of pocket and have that bragging right.  As I said a while back, the notion of not having some form of 4K on a $2,000 camera in 2017 is just insulting.  I know it's just a spec sheet thing, but I've still got a little pride.  Besides, I'll probably get my $100 back when I sell it in 2022, when 1080 will be looking long in the tooth.

Perhaps the problem isn't with the camera, but with the world you inhabit? I don't mean to be confrontational, but the whole 'bragging rights' thing is bizarre to me. Who are you bragging to about 4K? Who is listening, and who cares? Anyone who knows about it wouldn't just accept that 4K is enough (i.e. they'd know that some devices that 'do' 4K, like phones, do it so poorly that it's not worth the label), and those who don't won't care either way. Sounds like teenage boys comparing the size of their manhood, but even less worthwhile.

  Lol fair enough.  Bragging right was perhaps not the most astute turn of phrase in this context.  I mean that in the same way, when you buy a car, you can show your buddies the sweet features, not as self-inflation, but as in "isn't this cool". Like, do I need a little sprayer to pop out and squirt the headlights? Heck no.  Is it way cool? Absolutely. 
  Who is listening? Who cares? All the dozen or so  of photographers I know.  Anyone gets absolutely any new piece of gear, and we're all admiring it, examining its features, trying it out, (Incidentally, your teenage boys analogy doesn't actually work in my case ???) etc.
  Of course 4K isn't enough, duh.  Having CLog, 500 MB/sec, ProRes, etc just make it better.  I never said I wanted a crippled, ultracompressed 20mb/sec crappy 4K. 
  Is it a total waste of money? Yup, but so is coffee, and most of us spend more than that on coffee every year. (me too)
  Lack of 4K wouldn't affect my purchase.

Fair enough, that makes more sense :)
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Re: Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]
« Reply #392 on: June 18, 2017, 12:38:38 PM »
Not shooting 4K just because it's not mainstream makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't you want to preserve special moments at the highest possible quality for enjoyment in the future?

Your point has merit, but it's pretty niche or even beside the point for most people.

It's just my experience, for fwiw, I have never met anyone who looked at an old family photograph or home movie and said 'if only it was higher resolution'. I *think* most people care about the (emotional) content of an image or video than its technical aspects. The conversation 'I love how high res this baby video is, much better than the HD one you took two years ago' just seems utterly implausible - only a tiny subset of device users (namely enthusiasts/geeks) care about or even understand these things. That's not to say that higher resolution is of no value, just that it's only important to a tiny minority.

I persuaded my parents to get a 4K tv when they were upgrading recently, but I couldn't put into terms they'd understand why it was better (the most persuasive argument was, and I think still is, that it's more future-proof, but there's essentially no 4K content here for them to take advantage of, and even when there is, I doubt they will notice - they care what the shows are, not what resolution they're filmed in, and I think this is typical for most consumers).
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Re: Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]
« Reply #393 on: June 19, 2017, 02:42:24 PM »
I used to use a dedicated camcorder (Canon HV20) but keeping the DSLR/camcorder that used different media/batteries was a pain.  Having a backup camera that can do video as good as a consumer camcorder simplified a lot of things.

I suppose I could use my EOS M2 for video...  But my Vixia HF M41 does a great job, is much easier to hand hold, uses SD cards (along with internal flash memory), and for handheld or moving subjects, the AF makes life easy.  If I replace my M2 with an M6 (which is looking likely), I may shoot more video on an ILC (not that I shoot all that much video either way).

The HV20 was one of the earlier consumer camcorders that had 1080i.  It recorded onto digital tape.  When I built my current desktop years ago, I had to get a dedicated firewire card to interface with the HV20 because they no longer made motherboards with that port native, and it could only download the file to the computer at 1x tape speed.  I was definitely NOT sad to put that on Ebay.

The M1 took over for a while but has been replaced with the 7DII.  I got the camcorder so the wife could take videos of the kids, but that didn't really happen, so now I'm responsible for both video and stills.  And, I find, it's much easier to allocate funds for a camcorder for an upgrade of the 2nd body. :)

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Re: Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]
« Reply #393 on: June 19, 2017, 02:42:24 PM »