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35mm third party lenses
« on: June 25, 2017, 02:27:34 PM »
As someone who's soon going to be a (hopefully proud) owner of an M5 I've started looking around for opinions on third party 35mm lenses with EF-M mount. I've found quite a lot of people trying them on Fuji and Sony systems, but not any on the M.
 Anyone have hands-on experience with 35mm lenses with EF-M mount, such as the Samyang/Rokinon 35mm 1.2 or the Mitakon 35mm 0.95?

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35mm third party lenses
« on: June 25, 2017, 02:27:34 PM »


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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 06:27:17 AM »
I do, and I'm sure those links can help someone. But it's not what I was after. I've seen all those, but none of them are in respects to putting it on an M system. This was why I asked here, to see if anyone had first hand info.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2017, 01:07:39 AM »
I only have experience with the EF 35/2 IS on my M3.  Works fine, focuses fast, good image quality.  But it doubles the size of the camera.
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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2017, 04:00:23 PM »
So I've bought my M5, so far I'm very satisfied. I've ordered the 22 for walk around prime stuff, and I have the 18-150 for more general touristy stuff.
I've looked into the EF 35/2 IS as a possible stop gap before Canon releases something like a EF-M 35. I have an old EF 35/2 lying around (yes, the old one) but the results aren't the best. I also have an EF 40/2.8, which is considerably sharper, but of course a little more telephoto. But the downside is what you said, Frodo, it makes the camera substantially bigger.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2017, 04:27:52 PM »
So I've bought my M5, so far I'm very satisfied. I've ordered the 22 for walk around prime stuff, and I have the 18-150 for more general touristy stuff.
I've looked into the EF 35/2 IS as a possible stop gap before Canon releases something like a EF-M 35. I have an old EF 35/2 lying around (yes, the old one) but the results aren't the best. I also have an EF 40/2.8, which is considerably sharper, but of course a little more telephoto. But the downside is what you said, Frodo, it makes the camera substantially bigger.

You already have the 22mm, which gives you the equivalent of a FF 35, along with the 40, which gives you the equivalent of FF 64.  What about seeing how that works for you?  You can also use the zoom to see how different focal lengths work for you.  Shooting full frame, I like to pair 35mm with 85mm, but that is what works for me.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2017, 04:50:38 PM »
You might want to consider buying an FD adaptor and getting the old Canon 35mm f/2.8 FD lens. You could even pick up a 50mm f/1.4 FD lens for very little money.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2017, 07:14:40 PM »
The whole idea of the M is SMALL.  All the above suggestions are not small ij size.You can also look into the Leica 35mm lens.  I have a 50 years old 35/2.0 Summicron. With the L to EF-M adapter, it is almost the same size as the EF-M 22mm. It is almost as sharp as the EF-M 22mm. However, the Summicron is with better "definition" in fine detail. If you use the Leica 35/2.8 lens it will even be smaller.
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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2017, 08:25:20 PM »
Samyang/Rokinon 35mm 1.2 or the Mitakon 35mm 0.95?

I'm interested in these also, especially the Mitakon.
5DsR, EF Lenses: 35mm f/2IS, 300mm f/2.8L II IS, 16-35mm f/4L IS, 24-70mm f/2.8LII, 70-200mm f/2.8LIS II, 100-400mm II
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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2017, 07:02:49 AM »
Looked into the mentioned Summicron 35/2. Looks to be around $2000, there are cheaper out there (a few hundred bucks) and more expensive. It was a good suggestion but a bit out of my budget.
My limit is probably around $500 as I can pick up the Samyang/Rokinon 35/1.2 with EF-M mount for about $400 from my local store.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2017, 11:25:04 AM »
Looked into the mentioned Summicron 35/2. Looks to be around $2000, there are cheaper out there (a few hundred bucks) and more expensive. It was a good suggestion but a bit out of my budget.
My limit is probably around $500 as I can pick up the Samyang/Rokinon 35/1.2 with EF-M mount for about $400 from my local store.
Another option is 35/2.5 Color Skopar by Voightlander.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2017, 12:00:31 AM »
The whole idea of the M is SMALL.  All the above suggestions are not small ij size.You can also look into the Leica 35mm lens.  I have a 50 years old 35/2.0 Summicron. With the L to EF-M adapter, it is almost the same size as the EF-M 22mm. It is almost as sharp as the EF-M 22mm. However, the Summicron is with better "definition" in fine detail. If you use the Leica 35/2.8 lens it will even be smaller.

Being a 5D user, the M's weren't my primary cameras, so I was able to look at the M in a different light.  I got the orig M the M3 and the M5.  Beyond the native ef-m F2 22mm and the specialty of the the ef-m 11-22mm, my intent was to use vintage lenses using the Leica M to Ef-m adapter. Since I had my wide and my street lens, I just needed a Wide aperture portrait.

I started with the Voigtlander 50mm F1.5 Nokton.  Very close to the Leica 50mm Summicron F2.0 (non-apo) from F2.8 on. I shot them side by side. At F2.0 and especially f1.5, the Nokton exhibited purple fringing on Highlights vs the leica Summicron at f2.0 (its maximum aperture).

As a result I got the Leica F1.4 Summilux and I'm very happy. Its Widest aperture is cleaner, mostly free of purple fringing except in extreme results. You have to go for the $8K F2.0 APO  Summicron 50mm to get a cleaner image. The Summilux F1.4 also has IMHO a better ergonomics than the Nokton in terms of the lens hood; on the Summilux you just slide into position providing a much smaller profile and far easier way to put on an ND or Cir polarizer. The built in lens hood slides over the filters very easily. The Norton has a large detachable lens hood.  Also the Focus tab (for me) on the Summilux is far easier to focus than the scalloped focus ring on the Norton, but that is a preference. Admittedly sometime I have to opt for the traditional ways of moving the focus ring on the Summilux for fine tune.  '

The aperture ring on the Nokton is tighter than the Summilux and less likely to get hit accidentally.

Mechanically the Summilux is superior in build quality but its also more than 4X the cost of the Nokton. The Nokton still has a nice solid metal and glass feel. I think anyone getting the Nokton for the Canon M5 will be very happy as long as they understand the fact that its a manual lens. Keep in mind the Nokton was also a leica M mount since there is no native EF-m Voigtlander. So no Exif data regarding you lens.  Just remember to tag it with a keyword if you import it to LR. 

Lastly, the micro contrast of the 50mm Summilux has to be mentioned. its the ability to reproduce the inter-tonal shifts between bright and dark.  Modern lenses give a more contrasty image by comparison as its seen as being more desirable.   I suggest you read this great article on the subject:
 http://yannickkhong.com/blog/2016/2/8/micro-contrast-the-biggest-optical-luxury-of-the-world


Committing to the Leica in financially is not as hard as one thinks: Its a lens that can easily be adapted to Canon EF-m, Fuji, Sony's full frame and Aps-c cameras as well as Leica's M rangefinder, SL/T and L  Mirrorless bodies. Same with the Nokton but at 1/4 the price.  and in the case of the Summilux, it retrains its resale value if not going up.  Before the mirrorless craze the same exact 50mm Summilux  was under $3k now its almost $4K after the release of the first Leica M9 (and the Sonys and I;m sure Fujis).  Assuming it fits your needs, it will be with you as you swap out digital bodies for years. One example I sold my early APS-c collections, i.e. the 7D mark 1, 17-85mm & 10-22mm lens, old 580EX flashes.... the depreciation of that over the last decade was pretty much equal to the 2/3rd the cost of the Summilux. That kind of depreciation just doesn't happen to leica lenses.  Something to think about.

With Rangefinder lenses, you get a smaller sized, better balanced Eos-M system that leverages the Tech of a modern digital camera (Focus peaking, high iso, electronic viewfinder) with the character and wide aperture of the range finder lenses. Check them out!

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2017, 01:03:07 AM »
(Leica rangefinder lens stuff)
It is tempting. I do kinda fancy a Leica 50mm f/1.4 on my M5, or even an M6 (which would be almost free to acquire by comparison with the lens).


But imagine the contemptuous sneer of the suited salesman in the Leica shop, when you said you wanted to put it on a cheap mirrorless Canon. <Wither/>


But hey, I'm old enough to not care about such contempt. Really.


But at the moment, a 75" TV is pretty much top of my acquisition list.
And I'd use that every single day.
So that wins.


But still... a nice, new, Leica f/1.4 lens on a Canon mirrorless, is a very nice idea indeed.
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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2017, 01:03:07 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2017, 10:35:08 AM »
The Olympus OM 35mm f/2.8 is pretty small as well as being a very nice lens. 

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Also, Nikon series e lenses tend to be small, lightweight, and cheap.  The 50mm is almost a pancake.

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2017, 01:01:35 PM »
The whole idea of the M is SMALL.  All the above suggestions are not small ij size.You can also look into the Leica 35mm lens.  I have a 50 years old 35/2.0 Summicron. With the L to EF-M adapter, it is almost the same size as the EF-M 22mm. It is almost as sharp as the EF-M 22mm. However, the Summicron is with better "definition" in fine detail. If you use the Leica 35/2.8 lens it will even be smaller.

+1

This is by far one of the my favorite Summicrons... my "cron"-ic.  The Summilux would be to big IMO and defeat the purpose. I love my lux but the cron is the one that gets used almost exclusively. I don't own the 2.8's though but might be worth a shot.
I'm limping by with my current equipment... once I get that new lens with IS and blue goo... then I'll finally be able to go out and take my first decent picture...

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Re: 35mm third party lenses
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2017, 01:01:35 PM »