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rahkshi007

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85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« on: February 09, 2012, 09:10:01 AM »
i own 5d m2 , 24-70mm f2.8L , and 50mm f1.4 USM. i do some portraits recently and my friend use nikon 85mm f1.4G. i was so amazed with the picture produced by the nikon lens. the bokeh is so creamy compare to my 50mm f1.4. so which one is better in term of bokeh and sharpness at wide open ? the 85mm f1.2 or the 70-200mm since both lens have similar price tag in my country.
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85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« on: February 09, 2012, 09:10:01 AM »

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 09:14:31 AM »
Seems like an apples to oranges comparison, but if you are looking for Bokeh quality only, you'd probably want the 85.  If you need more versatility and quicker focus (and more sharpness too) or IS, go with the 70-200.

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 10:05:36 AM »
Seems like an apples to oranges comparison, but if you are looking for Bokeh quality only, you'd probably want the 85.  If you need more versatility and quicker focus (and more sharpness too) or IS, go with the 70-200.

I agreed with Macadameane - if I can only choose one lens, I will take 70-200 ;)

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 10:13:23 AM »
As said it is a bit of apple to oranges.

However, I'm very impressed by the versatility of 70-200 II for people photography - on full-frame where f/2.8 gives often is short enough dof and 70-200 gives a more suitable fov for people work than on APS-C. Overall the 70-200 is an incredibly well-performing lens, despite that it is a zoom it is nearly as sharp as a prime. The fast AF and IS makes it work well in non-optimal conditions.

So I'd say you should have a really strong case for the 85/1.2 if you choose that before you have the 70-200.

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 10:47:08 AM »
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so which one is better in term of bokeh and sharpness at wide open
AFAIK, the rule of thumb is generally that prime lenses will be sharper, simply because they're ground to a specific shape and don't need to accommodate shifting light patterns.  The 85's bokeh is, of course, legendary.

That said, they are both stellar, and the 70-200 f2.8 IS II may be able to deliver a similar depth of field at the long end, although some reviews suggest that this new version sacrificed some bokeh quality for increased sharpness.

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 11:15:00 AM »
thank you for all of you that reply. i will have a look at the 70-200mm..
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 10:12:48 PM »
Get the 70-200 first
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 10:12:48 PM »

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 11:37:29 PM »
I also vote for the 70-200 f2.8L IS USM II - it's my favourite lens. It does take great portraits with nice background bokeh, even wide open at 2.8 the pics are useable. Definitely more useable than those taken wide open with the 85 f1.2L USM II which is a great portrait lens stopped down to 2.0 or further but does not quite excel in other areas due to its slow AF. My main application of the 85mm is actually walk around shots at night since the big aperture gets me good shots even without tripod/monopod.
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 12:19:48 AM »
Well if it helps put it in perspective, @2.8 and 200mm the 70-200 should have similar bokeh as a shot cropped similarly to the 85 @1.2.

I personally sold the 70-200 2.8 IS mkI to pay for the 85, but the reality of it is I needed to buy the 135 to fill the gap left by 70-200. I just don't like using zooms.

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 12:27:31 AM »
Well if it helps put it in perspective, @2.8 and 200mm the 70-200 should have similar bokeh as a shot cropped similarly to the 85 @1.2.

No, it won't.  First off, bokeh is quality of blur, not quantity.  Now, I'm sure you meant quantity, but even then, if you frame the shots similarly with different focal lengths, only the aperture determines the DoF, and f/1.2 will beat f/2.8 by quite a bit. 
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 12:30:47 AM »
Yeah I meant background difussion should be numerically similar but then the subject would appear flatter on the 200 shot due to compression. Sorry.

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 03:55:33 AM »
If you don't have 70-200II, i would recommend it. But if you purely want the best portrait lens? Get the 85LII

70-200 is a sharp lens but doesnt give the look anywhere near the 85L. However the 85 @1.2 is nerve breaking to shoot at. be extreme careful. Thus, i mostly shoot it at F1.6-2.2.. 

Bokeh wise, someone mentioned the 85 1.2 and 70-200 @200 2.8 would give the same look.. NO. it's not. n I took couple shots to see how much differences (for my own references at well)
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 04:45:35 AM »
Unfortunately, if you have the funds, get both! I got the 85 2 weeks ago before the 70-200 because of the canon rebates, the salesman wrote me down the price he'll make me for the 70-200 on a business card, so I wasn't in a hurry an fetch it for my b-day in march.

2 different horses:

85 is just an uber portrait lens and marvelous for indoor candids (af mostly fast enough for kids running around if in the zone)
70-200 for the range, is and speed.

If I hadn't had the funds to get both in the same year I would have probably opted for the 70-200 for its versatility and waited to get the 85. The 85 blows a fifty 1.4 out of the water with ease, just yesterday I put the 50 (Sigma) back on again and just found it lacking in many ways.

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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 06:20:43 AM »
I also vote for the 70-200 f2.8L IS USM II - it's my favourite lens. It does take great portraits with nice background bokeh, even wide open at 2.8 the pics are useable. Definitely more useable than those taken wide open with the 85 f1.2L USM II which is a great portrait lens stopped down to 2.0 or further but does not quite excel in other areas due to its slow AF. My main application of the 85mm is actually walk around shots at night since the big aperture gets me good shots even without tripod/monopod.

Well I agree with the fact that the 70-200 II is tremendous - I use it quite a lot. But I don't agree that the 85 doesn't excel in other areas: it's meant to be used at 1.4 or even 1.2 if you ask me :).

AF is more than fast enough for portrait shots (it is accurate) and the dreamy quality you get can in no way be replicated by the 70-200.


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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 07:24:47 AM »
I own them both, and for sports or action, the 70-200 is epic greatness. But for those images of the kids and you want not to document, but creat, the 85 is WAY better.

I had 70-200, sold to get the 85, sold the 85 to get the new 70-200, missed it too much, and sacrificed the 14 L II for the new 70-200 to have both. Different area of use, and one doesn in no way replace the other.
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Re: 85mm f1.2 II or 70-200mm f2.8L IS II
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 07:24:47 AM »