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Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« on: July 14, 2017, 09:56:16 AM »

Nokishita has posted a bunch of unreleased Canon gear that has appeared for certification. Below is Google translated and I have put what we think each product is.



  • PC2276 (EOS M20)

    • Mirror-less camera

    • Made in Japan

    • SKU: 2209C002AA, 2209C012AA, 2209C022AA, 2209C032AA, 2210C002AA, 2210C012AA, 2210C022AA, 2210C032AA, 2211C002AA, 2211C012AA, 2211C022AA, 2211C032AA

    • Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed



  • PC 2335 (New G Series PowerShot or SX70 HS)

    • Digital camera

    • Made in Japan

    • SKU: 2208C001AA

    • Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed



  • Interchangeable lens 1 (EF 85mm f/1.4L IS)

    • SKU: 2271C005AA

    • Made in Japan (Utsunomiya Factory)



  • Interchangeable lens 2 (The EF-S 18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM in Different Colors This is 3 different lenses)

    • SKU: 2273C005AA, 2274C005AA, 2275C005AA

    • Made in Malaysia



  • Strobe (A new flash, we haven’t heard anything about)

    • SKU: 2398C003AA

    • Made in Japan (Oita)





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Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« on: July 14, 2017, 09:56:16 AM »

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 10:10:44 AM »
What an odd bunch of misfits to release alongside a $2k sports car of a portrait lens!

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 10:14:53 AM »
Also, the f/4-5.6 crop kit zoom seems here to stay.  Given the relatively limited applications of 18mm @ f/max (rookie astro work?  Handheld church nave?  A kid's school concert?), I wonder, would a pure 18-55 f/5.6 IS STM be much smaller?

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 10:24:29 AM »
Any predictions on pricing for the 85mm?

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 10:34:43 AM »
Any predictions on pricing for the 85mm?

If the f/1.2L II will stick around, one would think this new f/1.4L IS will be the resolution-killer, an 85 Art with first party AF and IS.  It may also get the BR gunk.  Then you have to get into the cache/lustworthiness of f/1.2 vs. [f/1.4 + IS] (which may be a 'world's first' for marketing purposes, right?) to peg the price.

So I'd guess somewhere between $1500-2000, probably on the high end of that.

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 10:55:53 AM »
Any predictions on pricing for the 85mm?

If the f/1.2L II will stick around, one would think this new f/1.4L IS will be the resolution-killer, an 85 Art with first party AF and IS.  It may also get the BR gunk.  Then you have to get into the cache/lustworthiness of f/1.2 vs. [f/1.4 + IS] (which may be a 'world's first' for marketing purposes, right?) to peg the price.

So I'd guess somewhere between $1500-2000, probably on the high end of that.

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Yeah, good points. Probably $1800. With the 35mm f/1.4 ii going for $1700, this one will be another professional workhorse lens. The Sigma's will certainly be a bargain though.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 11:00:35 AM »
Any predictions on pricing for the 85mm?

If the f/1.2L II will stick around, one would think this new f/1.4L IS will be the resolution-killer, an 85 Art with first party AF and IS.  It may also get the BR gunk.  Then you have to get into the cache/lustworthiness of f/1.2 vs. [f/1.4 + IS] (which may be a 'world's first' for marketing purposes, right?) to peg the price.

So I'd guess somewhere between $1500-2000, probably on the high end of that.

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Yeah, good points. Probably $1800. With the 35mm f/1.4 ii going for $1700, this one will be another professional workhorse lens. The Sigma's will certainly be a bargain though.

Potential claims:

Fastest ever L prime with IS

First ever FF f/1.4 prime with IS (can someone correct me there? Is that right?)

Canon might ask for a mint for this the more I think about it.  The world is obsessed with max aperture defining the value of a lens (with the exception of the mythical 50 f/1.4 dirt cheapo double gauss designs), but IS drives perceived value as well.  Canon could make hay with this.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 11:00:35 AM »

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 11:14:12 AM »
Also, the f/4-5.6 crop kit zoom seems here to stay.  Given the relatively limited applications of 18mm @ f/max (rookie astro work?  Handheld church nave?  A kid's school concert?), I wonder, would a pure 18-55 f/5.6 IS STM be much smaller?

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Or they could take the Fuji way and make EF-S 18-55/2.8-4 IS STM lens :)
(Fujinon 18-55/2.8-4 LM OIS is a very good kit lens, many Fuji users won't need to upgrade, unless they want constant f/2.8 of a much pricier 16-55/2.8 WR lens).
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 11:28:03 AM »
Or they could take the Fuji way and make EF-S 18-55/2.8-4 IS STM lens :)
(Fujinon 18-55/2.8-4 LM OIS is a very good kit lens, many Fuji users won't need to upgrade, unless they want constant f/2.8 of a much pricier 16-55/2.8 WR lens).

You may be on to something there:

Canon 18-55 f/4-5.6:    62mm length, 215g weight
Canon 18-55 f/3.5-5.6: 75mm length, 205g weight
Fuji 18-55 f/2.8-4:        70mm length, 310g weight
Canon 17-55 f/2.8:       112mm length, 645g weight

It would appear that 18mm @ f/3.5 shaves a good centimeter-plus off of the crop kit zoom, but f/2.8-4 just adds a bit of weight.  That might be a nice middle ground option over an outright replacement of the 17-55 2.8, aka the 'never will get a version II for more reasons than I can count' lens.   ::)

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 11:38:34 AM »
Or they could take the Fuji way and make EF-S 18-55/2.8-4 IS STM lens :)
(Fujinon 18-55/2.8-4 LM OIS is a very good kit lens, many Fuji users won't need to upgrade, unless they want constant f/2.8 of a much pricier 16-55/2.8 WR lens).
That might be a nice middle ground option over an outright replacement of the 17-55 2.8, aka the 'never will get a version II for more reasons than I can count' lens.   ::)

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Still always relatively amazed that it exists in the first place considering Canon's crop/FF strategy. I owned it for some time before I switched to full frame, and I had lots of love for it. That said, I do think a 2.8-4 lens would be a fair upgrade for a lot of crop users if it was done well and went to 15mm, and it would still leave constant-aperture EF lenses with some advantage.

On a more relevant note, I am super excited to see how the 85mm F/1.4L IS ends up. I've never really been into primes, but I recently did a CPS evaluation of the 35mm f/1.4L II and fell in love with that lens. I could really see myself using a duo of the 35mm f/1.4L II and 85mm F/1.4L IS for almost everything, if the AF is as great as the 35mm. I hope more details leak out soon!

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2017, 12:12:03 PM »
On a more relevant note, I am super excited to see how the 85mm F/1.4L IS ends up. I've never really been into primes, but I recently did a CPS evaluation of the 35mm f/1.4L II and fell in love with that lens. I could really see myself using a duo of the 35mm f/1.4L II and 85mm F/1.4L IS for almost everything, if the AF is as great as the 35mm. I hope more details leak out soon!

Regarding that new 85L, I just got a glimpse of Canon's marketing collaterals for it.

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2017, 12:48:50 PM »
On a more relevant note, I am super excited to see how the 85mm F/1.4L IS ends up. I've never really been into primes, but I recently did a CPS evaluation of the 35mm f/1.4L II and fell in love with that lens. I could really see myself using a duo of the 35mm f/1.4L II and 85mm F/1.4L IS for almost everything, if the AF is as great as the 35mm. I hope more details leak out soon!

Regarding that new 85L, I just got a glimpse of Canon's marketing collaterals for it.

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Cool new look of Canon's glass! Apparently it should also work with Sigma dock :)

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2017, 12:53:36 PM »
On a more relevant note, I am super excited to see how the 85mm F/1.4L IS ends up. I've never really been into primes, but I recently did a CPS evaluation of the 35mm f/1.4L II and fell in love with that lens. I could really see myself using a duo of the 35mm f/1.4L II and 85mm F/1.4L IS for almost everything, if the AF is as great as the 35mm. I hope more details leak out soon!

Regarding that new 85L, I just got a glimpse of Canon's marketing collaterals for it.

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Well, that brightened up my day! :)

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Re: Unreleased Canon Gear Has Appeared for Certification
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2017, 01:10:28 PM »
Is it possible that new flash is replacement for long discontinued 320Ex? Maybe just RT Slave capability with lower price tag compared to 430EX-III RT.

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2017, 01:19:15 PM »
Optimistic pricing for the 85 f/1.4L IS, Mr. A...

My bet is $2200.

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2017, 01:19:15 PM »