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Author Topic: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]  (Read 35753 times)

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Also, AHSanford, refresh my memory--would you accept a 50mm 1.2L if it was as quick and otherwise practical as, say, the 35mm 1.4?  I guess that extra, what, 1/3 f/stop, adds too much weight and cost?

If they keep it as small as the current 50 f/1.2L, I would consider it -- but I have zero confidence Canon will go back to the double gauss well another time.  I believe the 85 f/1.4L IS and the next 50L will be flippin huge, like Art/Otus huge.  No thank you.

So my chips remain on the non-L 50 f/1.4 for me for nothing to do with speed or cost -- I think it will be kept small.  I want 90% as good IQ as the best lens out there in half the size without needing to pull glass out and slow it down to f/2.  We have that lens today in the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- it just needs to be modernized.

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Also, AHSanford, refresh my memory--would you accept a 50mm 1.2L if it was as quick and otherwise practical as, say, the 35mm 1.4?  I guess that extra, what, 1/3 f/stop, adds too much weight and cost?

If they keep it as small as the current 50 f/1.2L, I would consider it -- but I have zero confidence Canon will go back to the double gauss well another time.  I believe the 85 f/1.4L IS and the next 50L will be flippin huge, like Art/Otus huge.  No thank you.

So my chips remain on the non-L 50 f/1.4 for me for nothing to do with speed or cost -- I think it will be kept small.  I want 90% as good IQ as the best lens out there in half the size without needing to pull glass out and slow it down to f/2.  We have that lens today in the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- it just needs to be modernized.

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Double gauss/Planar design for 50 mm has been currently obsoleted by Retrofocus/Distagon design, which is both longer and heavier. Sigma Art primes are fine example. Even Zeiss went Distagon with Milvus/Otus instead of their old Planar design, which was soft wide open and suffered from focus shift issues.
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Personally, I find the 85mm 1.2L II one of the most difficult lenses to hold without shake.  It's the shape which makes my hold awkward and balance different than all other lenses.

I hope the shape of the 85 1.4 is a little longer, maybe not so "fat."  Certainly IS will be a huge help, but even more so if the ergonomics are better.

Did I miss the memo showing what the new lens actually looks like?
Which camera are you using it with? It is a large, heavy lens and it really needs to be used with one of the bigger bodies such as a 5D or 1DX.
I use mine with a 5D mk 4 and it feels perfectly balanced, even if it is a rather heavy combination overall.

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Also, AHSanford, refresh my memory--would you accept a 50mm 1.2L if it was as quick and otherwise practical as, say, the 35mm 1.4?  I guess that extra, what, 1/3 f/stop, adds too much weight and cost?

If they keep it as small as the current 50 f/1.2L, I would consider it -- but I have zero confidence Canon will go back to the double gauss well another time.  I believe the 85 f/1.4L IS and the next 50L will be flippin huge, like Art/Otus huge.  No thank you.

So my chips remain on the non-L 50 f/1.4 for me for nothing to do with speed or cost -- I think it will be kept small.  I want 90% as good IQ as the best lens out there in half the size without needing to pull glass out and slow it down to f/2.  We have that lens today in the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- it just needs to be modernized.

- A

Speaking of wishes that don't come true... If Canon would make an f2 IS L lens in the normal range (preferably 45-50mm) weighing approximately 400grams,  I would be thrilled. It would be my favorite lens for urban holidays. As much as I appreciated the 35 IS, it's not an L lens. It lacks in color, contrast, clarity, bokeh and build quality compared to the L standard. Sharpness wise it is good enough.

Btw, I have the Tamron 45mm f1.8. I realized just this week that it focuses well with the center focusing point, but consistently bad when using of center AF points.  :-\ Hopefully, this can be addressed with a tap in console...

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Also, AHSanford, refresh my memory--would you accept a 50mm 1.2L if it was as quick and otherwise practical as, say, the 35mm 1.4?  I guess that extra, what, 1/3 f/stop, adds too much weight and cost?

If they keep it as small as the current 50 f/1.2L, I would consider it -- but I have zero confidence Canon will go back to the double gauss well another time.  I believe the 85 f/1.4L IS and the next 50L will be flippin huge, like Art/Otus huge.  No thank you.

So my chips remain on the non-L 50 f/1.4 for me for nothing to do with speed or cost -- I think it will be kept small.  I want 90% as good IQ as the best lens out there in half the size without needing to pull glass out and slow it down to f/2.  We have that lens today in the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- it just needs to be modernized.

- A

Speaking of wishes that don't come true... If Canon would make an f2 IS L lens in the normal range (preferably 45-50mm) weighing approximately 400grams,  I would be thrilled. It would be my favorite lens for urban holidays. As much as I appreciated the 35 IS, it's not an L lens. It lacks in color, contrast, clarity, bokeh and build quality compared to the L standard. Sharpness wise it is good enough.

Btw, I have the Tamron 45mm f1.8. I realized just this week that it focuses well with the center focusing point, but consistently bad when using of center AF points.  :-\ Hopefully, this can be addressed with a tap in console...

Color etc is probably not that easy to judge, out of focus areas I am with you but build quality? Except it not being water spill resistant the build quality of that lense is top notch :).
I have one myself and I can only confirm reports from reviewers all over the world, namely Dustin Abbott, Christopher Frost etc.

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Also, AHSanford, refresh my memory--would you accept a 50mm 1.2L if it was as quick and otherwise practical as, say, the 35mm 1.4?  I guess that extra, what, 1/3 f/stop, adds too much weight and cost?

If they keep it as small as the current 50 f/1.2L, I would consider it -- but I have zero confidence Canon will go back to the double gauss well another time.  I believe the 85 f/1.4L IS and the next 50L will be flippin huge, like Art/Otus huge.  No thank you.

So my chips remain on the non-L 50 f/1.4 for me for nothing to do with speed or cost -- I think it will be kept small.  I want 90% as good IQ as the best lens out there in half the size without needing to pull glass out and slow it down to f/2.  We have that lens today in the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- it just needs to be modernized.

- A

Speaking of wishes that don't come true... If Canon would make an f2 IS L lens in the normal range (preferably 45-50mm) weighing approximately 400grams,  I would be thrilled. It would be my favorite lens for urban holidays. As much as I appreciated the 35 IS, it's not an L lens. It lacks in color, contrast, clarity, bokeh and build quality compared to the L standard. Sharpness wise it is good enough.

Btw, I have the Tamron 45mm f1.8. I realized just this week that it focuses well with the center focusing point, but consistently bad when using of center AF points.  :-\ Hopefully, this can be addressed with a tap in console...

Color etc is probably not that easy to judge, out of focus areas I am with you but build quality? Except it not being water spill resistant the build quality of that lense is top notch :).
I have one myself and I can only confirm reports from reviewers all over the world, namely Dustin Abbott, Christopher Frost etc.

I have owned the 35 f2 IS. I know it's build. It is good, but seems less solid than the L lenses. When referring to the build I was mostly referring to the lack of weather sealing.

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The 600 mm DO "L" F 4 would make my happiness, hoping it is light (maximum +/- 2.5 Kg) and not too long (+/- 300 mm).

The 200-600 mm "L" F 4-5.6 must go out quickly to cope of Sigma and Tamron.

The 24-70 mm "L" IS F 2.8 is also highly anticipated.
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The 600 mm DO "L" F 4 would make my happiness, hoping it is light (maximum +/- 2.5 Kg) and not too long (+/- 300 mm).

The 200-600 mm "L" F 4-5.6 must go out quickly to cope of Sigma and Tamron.

The 24-70 mm "L" IS F 2.8 is also highly anticipated.

The 400 DO II is over 2kg. I think you're asking a bit much for a 600 DO to be just 2.5kg - after all, DO reduces lens length, but it'll still have all those glass elements in there, and that means the weight can't be reduced all that much compared to the current 600.
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I have owned the 35 f2 IS. I know it's build. It is good, but seems less solid than the L lenses. When referring to the build I was mostly referring to the lack of weather sealing.

Are all Ls sealed?  I thought the 50L and 85L weren't, at least.

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probably not.   considering it'd be coming out with the M20

But release of lenses doesn't follow conventional rules. Otherwise, the 85 f1/.4L lens won't be released together with the M20.

two entirely different lines though.

if it's an EF-M .. it's coming out with the M20.

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The 600 mm DO "L" F 4 would make my happiness, hoping it is light (maximum +/- 2.5 Kg) and not too long (+/- 300 mm).

haven't heard much about that lens, except that it's "in development" and prototypes shown really.

maybe that's the three lenses.. the trio of super tele's .. all with DO and all made in Malaysia :P

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Also, AHSanford, refresh my memory--would you accept a 50mm 1.2L if it was as quick and otherwise practical as, say, the 35mm 1.4?  I guess that extra, what, 1/3 f/stop, adds too much weight and cost?

If they keep it as small as the current 50 f/1.2L, I would consider it -- but I have zero confidence Canon will go back to the double gauss well another time.  I believe the 85 f/1.4L IS and the next 50L will be flippin huge, like Art/Otus huge.  No thank you.

So my chips remain on the non-L 50 f/1.4 for me for nothing to do with speed or cost -- I think it will be kept small.  I want 90% as good IQ as the best lens out there in half the size without needing to pull glass out and slow it down to f/2.  We have that lens today in the EF 50 f/1.4 USM -- it just needs to be modernized.

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I see, it's ergonomics.  Fair enough.

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I have owned the 35 f2 IS. I know it's build. It is good, but seems less solid than the L lenses. When referring to the build I was mostly referring to the lack of weather sealing.

Are all Ls sealed?  I thought the 50L and 85L weren't, at least.

50L is sealed. But 35L (first version) is not as well as 24L (first version), 135L, 200L and 70-200/4L (non IS) are also not sealed. So some older L lenses are not weather sealed, all the new one are.
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actually be three different lenses

thinking a bit about this today, I suspect 3 lenses may not be that accurate that there's something about colors in there as well.

Simply being that on odd years canon hardly does over 4, as a matter of fact, they haven't done over 4 lens releases on an odd year since 2009 - the even years, or photokina years get the majority of the releases. Makese sense from a marketing standpoint if you think about it.

only 2 lens releases this year, so an 85L and a EF-M three color lens options (silver, white and black) would take the total to 4 lens releases. this year.


2016: 6
2015: 4
2014: 7
2013: 4
2012: 9
2011: 4
2010: 5 + 2 TC's
2009: 5
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Are all Ls sealed?  I thought the 50L and 85L weren't, at least.

No, you are right, some are not.

The 17 and 24 TS-E's have no weathersealing at all.

After that it depends on the model, the 50mm requires a front filter to be sealed, as do several generations of the wide angle zooms both f2.8 and f4.

The 85 f1.2 L MkII is not weather sealed.
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