5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

[BDD]

Assuming there will be a 5D3 and 5DX I hope they do stick to the rumoured pricing for the 5D3 at $2700 (the version I would buy) with maybe a $500 increase for the 5DX.

Nikon, in Toronto, has priced the D800 at $3149.95 (w/ AA) and $3449.95 (w/o AA). Where is the D800 being sold for under $3000 already? Not that I care since the D800 is a high MP camera. Not for me.

[Orion]

I'm tired of "interesting thoughts" and doing the splits. . . . just decide on one and announce it already.

I'm in the market for 2 cameras, and I need them by end of April (fat chance, it seems), so that's why I am getting an little antsy . . . otherwise, it would've been "take your time "

[dilbert]

The part that doesn't make a whole lot of sense is why would they develop a new FF 22 MP sensor for the 5D Mark III when they just released another FF 18 MP for the 1D x. The difference in resolution between 18 and 22 is so small it's barely worth the cost and effort that must have went into R&D unless one is suited for video while the other for stills, doubt it. On the other hand, if Canon is going to release a FF 45 MP sensor, they must have developed a whole new sensor technology to overcome noise because with the current technology, that thing will be next to useless above ISO 1600.

Lets deal with some of your points.

1) The pro's who'll use the 1DX are less concerned about MP than the non-pro's that will buy the 5D3. For some non-pro's it will be the crop-ability: in upgrading their 5D2, they don't want to lose out on being able to crop. For others it will simply be that their new camera must have at least the same, if not more, megapixels as their current camera, otherwise why upgrade?

2) The rumor specifically suggests that the 5D3 sensor will be enhanced for video and that it will be better than the 1DX. Thus if you're looking for a DSLR from Canon to shoot video with then this is your go-to camera. Will they try and do 4k video with it or not? The 1DX sensor has probably been developed with the target shooter (professional) in mind and now the 5D3 sensor and camera design has a video focus for all of those people that bought the 5D2 to shoot video with. Makes a lot of sense.

3) The samples from the G1x look pretty good at screen resolution for ISO 1600. With most pictures being downsized and exported to JPEG/GIF/PNG, what more does Canon need to do? But seriously, the G1X establishes what I believe would be the lower bound for a full-frame sensor using the same pixel size.

[RedEye]

Not so sure I'm on board with the split strategy.  I don't think a camera at under 3K (and they'll probably be within 100.00 of Nikon's price) is able to fully compete in any one area substantially and sufficiently to be rendered a$3000.00USD specilized tool which only does one thing well. 

if it did shoot hi-res as well as a medium format, they could charge 5K and most rational people would consider it a bargin.  If it did shoot video as well as the C300, it would be 5K and we would open our wallets faster than a sorority girl in the AM MCD drive thru. 

The most reasonable proposition is that they will stretch the newest technology as far as possible - probably sensor - and probably similar to the nikon still/video combo set up, and then pile on tons of otherwise last generation technology which was held sacrosanct until well distributed horizontally and vertically in the consumer market.  This way they will get the most competitive and paid for technology at the core, and then cover all their bases with the silly stuff such as facial rec and built in levels.. ect.ect. 

It's not going to be 22MP.  I'm going to leave bet myself $100.00 that it will be over 30MP.  In this regard, we shouldn't care about technology, or DR, or any photo blather, it's just the competitive market place demands it, and the technology is priced and avaivable. 

Now... on to the happy stuff.  What's more likely if Canon is to get a leg up (weird phrase eh?). 
1) Entirely New Sensor Tech (more likely in 2013, however posible) - big competitive advantages.
2) New Recording / Transmitting / Processing Chip Tech
3) New Body Form
4) Entirely New Focusing / Optical Technology
5) New Software Technology

So which of these is the most likely tit for tat announcement now that Nikon has made their Chess move? I pick in the order of first to last 5, 2, 1, 4, 3.  If Nan, or None of the Above - then the only other option is to expand one of the catagories further or piling on other old goodies already with proven demand. 

Anyhow, this is all fun.  Hope you like software and tons of pixels! 

Red

[cpsico]

why shoot sRaw? just shoot raw and downsize.. I never understood shooting at a quality less then your camera could provide..

Lol because no one needs 45 megapixel reception pics, for those 10 megapixels are more than enough

[Apple Tree Studios]

As a wedding photographer I would love the split. The high megapixels is no use to me, but give me two stops of extra ISO usable over my trusty 5Dmk2 and better video and I will be a happy camper. The focus too has to be better. I have taken to borrowing a Nikon D3s with the new 70-200 VR on the last few wedding I shot and really noticed then how bad my 5Dmk2 focus is in low light next to the D3s. But i way prefer the Canon skin tones and since I have thousands of $ in L lenses I will stick with Canon. I think my old 20D had the same auto focus as the 5Dmk2, so any upgrade has to have better AF. I will wait and see if the ISO is better. I am on the fence between the 1DX and a 5D. But if I can get two %d bodies with ISO usable to 12500 I will be happy. I found the D3s is usable in churches that will not allow flash at 12500. My 5Dmk2 is good up to 5000.

As for video the 5Dmk2 is already awesome. Fix the rolling shutter a bit more and thats about all I ask for there.

Just my five cents!

[cpsico]

The part that doesn't make a whole lot of sense is why would they develop a new FF 22 MP sensor for the 5D Mark III when they just released another FF 18 MP for the 1D x. The difference in resolution between 18 and 22 is so small it's barely worth the cost and effort that must have went into R&D unless one is suited for video while the other for stills, doubt it. On the other hand, if Canon is going to release a FF 45 MP sensor, they must have developed a whole new sensor technology to overcome noise because with the current technology, that thing will be next to useless above ISO 1600.

Next to useless over iso 400

[LetTheRightLensIn]

lol@this. CR is sure doing a good job baiting people along.

ANy way a Canon rep has already said the 1DX will have the best video of all the cameras.

I thought the rep said it had the best video at the time of the announcement or something more like that. I could be wrong. But why they would keep the best video in an expensive bulky package with stuff video people don't need would seem to be a weird move to me.

That said the fact that the rumors calls the slow, high MP camera the 5DX 5D2+7D cross and the fast speed one the 5D3 doesn't make sense to me which makes me think it's all just some speculation combo wish list.

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Sounds quite reasonable to have a new product line to fight against D800

1D X - super high fps (12-14), high ISO performance, 18M, 61 points AF, 6-7K, vs D4, available in Mar
3D X - low fps (4-5), low ISO performance, 36M+, no AA filter, 1D's 45 points AF, 3-4K, vs D800, perhaps with 4K video), announcement in Sep (photokina)
5D X - mid fps (5-8), high ISO performance, 22M, 7D's 19 points AF, 2-3K, entry level FF/video cam, announcement in end of Feb

If the 3DX is named after the top AF, high speed EOS 3 when would it be the slow fps, high MP body?
And why would they put 1D 45pt action AF on the low fps 3DX there and the 7D AF on the high speed action 5DX?

[D_Rochat]

I'm without a doubt going to hold off on pulling the trigger on a 5DII now in hopes that they produce a model with the 5DIII specs. I'm in no rush so I can wait. If they stay below the $3000 mark, I will get one. Canon typically is slightly cheaper than the Nikon counterparts, so it's possible. An affordable FF body capable of shooting fast action........ mmmmmm.

[alexng0302]

For all of you, I am not sure if this is a correct source or not, but Taiwanese Photographer Kevin Wang, who was lucky enough to have the chance to test the 5Dmk3, just posted a video of the 5dmk3 commercial video on his facebook, it seems that the specs are:

28.1 megapixel, 8.2fps continuious shooting mode, iso range 50-12800 (I assume this is including h1&h2), digic 5 processor, 45 cross typed af points and similar body design with the mk2 but with slight adjustment ergonomically. ~

Anyone got any info on that one?? please correct me if i am wrong~

[mathino]

For all of you, I am not sure if this is a correct source or not, but Taiwanese Photographer Kevin Wang, who was lucky enough to have the chance to test the 5Dmk3, just posted a video of the 5dmk3 commercial video on his facebook, it seems that the specs are:

28.1 megapixel, 8.2fps continuious shooting mode, iso range 50-12800 (I assume this is including h1&h2), digic 5 processor, 45 cross typed af points and similar body design with the mk2 but with slight adjustment ergonomically. ~

Anyone got any info on that one?? please correct me if i am wrong~

Would you mind providing some link or so ? Would be really nice to check.

[Ricku]

For all of you, I am not sure if this is a correct source or not, but Taiwanese Photographer Kevin Wang, who was lucky enough to have the chance to test the 5Dmk3, just posted a video of the 5dmk3 commercial video on his facebook, it seems that the specs are:

28.1 megapixel, 8.2fps continuious shooting mode, iso range 50-12800 (I assume this is including h1&h2), digic 5 processor, 45 cross typed af points and similar body design with the mk2 but with slight adjustment ergonomically. ~

Anyone got any info on that one?? please correct me if i am wrong~

Impossible.

[DavidRiesenberg]

This "rumor" magically reflects the exact speculations that were thrown left and right here over the past few days. Doesn't seem very credible to me.

[D_Rochat]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kevin-wang/310842802287944

No video of a 5D mark III.