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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2012, 09:27:52 AM »
I just want a FF with decent DR and ISO performance for under 3,000. Anything 15-22 MP would be fine with my needs.

I want better ISO performance more then anything, even 100 ISO on my 50D is just crap in my opinion.

Interestingly absent on all of these rumors is what bodies will be weather sealed and how much weather sealing they will have. While not something I really need, it may be a easy way for Canon to break models into different segments.

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2012, 09:27:52 AM »

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« Reply #106 on: February 10, 2012, 09:34:10 AM »
Two cameras with different sensors or same sensors but different firmware?

I believe they should be the different sensors.

+1: Sensors need to be optimized/ fine tuned. If by firmware you mean a crop... then both cannot be true FF sensors from a "framing" perspective. The latter won't be "wide" enough.
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2012, 09:36:01 AM »
Yesterday I went to a popular camera store, and the guy I always deal with said that the 5DmkIII will be out in April. He looked at me with a determined look, after I questioned it, and gave me a tiny smile . . . so I guess I have to believe him. He gave me that tiny smile after I asked him if this is insider stuff, so . . . .

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #108 on: February 10, 2012, 09:38:22 AM »
why only 51200 ISO while 1DX has 204800? i can't believe their sensosr has 2 steps difference in sensivity.

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2012, 09:43:27 AM »
Unfortunately I suspect that the "low price" and widespread popularity are what have driven up the 5D3 price more than anything else.

I second that. Why would Canon not use CR as a source of market intelligence? And if a bunch of us (me included) show enthusiasm at a $2700 price, it's natural that they would want to jack it up and get more for it. Ofcourse there are other factors too, perhaps we should be cognizant of what we say in public ...  ;)
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2012, 10:02:13 AM »
why only 51200 ISO while 1DX has 204800? i can't believe their sensosr has 2 steps difference in sensivity.

reading your forum name I  understand you are doing astrophotography. I would like to have a camera like that, but maybe they just differentiate it by cutting the high ISO down to 51200. If these are very usable I guess that's plenty for me as a low light "amatog". I guess they can do this by firmware, right?
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »
by cutting the high ISO down to 51200.

how? by adding some noise to sensor output? if not then anyone can get on iso 51200 same results as on 204800 just using RAW.
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« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2012, 10:16:14 AM »
thx astrocrab. now you know well how much I am in tech. so, I understand that sensors aren't the same as in film days. 100 ASA, 400 ASA...is that just a question of sensor tech design then? any link where can do an indepth read on that. would be very welcomed!
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #113 on: February 10, 2012, 10:52:37 AM »
Sign me up for a 5D3

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #114 on: February 10, 2012, 11:01:36 AM »
I would totally go for the "standard" 5D Mark III, we don't need more megapixels, we need even better high ISO handling, better focusing and burst speed.
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #115 on: February 10, 2012, 11:03:27 AM »
As for the video, I saw it around 4-5 months ago and posted it on CR just to find out it was some kids school project... Not badly done, but it's fake nevertheless.  I wouldn't mind the specs at all, but yeah.  Given the choice between the two, i'd hope there was more of a separating factor between the 3 and the x... Perhaps they could add some more features to the x and make it into it's own line all-together and justify a new price bracket of $4000?  But for me I'd get the 3...  Bring it on
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #116 on: February 10, 2012, 11:08:32 AM »
I hope the MP monster has better IQ than the 7D aka 18MP crops, that would be disapointing to say the least
hopefully they have refined the tech in recent years to get better sharpness out of them maybe removing the AA filter like the D800E. fingers crossed.

18MP Canon APS-C = 46MP FF (18 x 1.6^2) so we have One (1) entire MP to spare  8)

AND the sensor technology must have advanced enough in the past 3 years to make the ISO performance a bit better!  ;D

What I find suspicious is the "With a pixel size similar to the power shot G1X" comment in the rumor. Shouldn't it be like the 7D in pixel size?  ???
Seems they are the same pixel width. G1x is more relevant since it is newer perhaps?
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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #117 on: February 10, 2012, 11:11:26 AM »
Two cameras with different sensors or same sensors but different firmware?

I believe they should be the different sensors.

+1: Sensors need to be optimized/ fine tuned. If by firmware you mean a crop... then both cannot be true FF sensors from a "framing" perspective. The latter won't be "wide" enough.

No, I didn't mean cropped. Rather one sensor 45MP with gapless subpixels producing 22MP raws...
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« Reply #118 on: February 10, 2012, 11:13:02 AM »
Maybe it's already been mentioned, but is there a chance that the 22MP camera is the "EOS Movie" DSLR style camera since 22mp would make sense for that.  I guess that's more than 4k though.  And then a 5Diii is the 46MP rumored camera.

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #119 on: February 10, 2012, 11:14:31 AM »
Just a quick walk through history...

When Canon announced the 5D2 many years back, people claimed (i) they have no need for sensors with more than 12 MP (ii) lenses won't be able to support such a 22 MP sensor (iii) diffraction would kill the usefulness of such a sensor. The 5D2 turned out to be a massive success for Canon.

When there are rumors about Canon releasing a 22 MP FF camera after Nikon's 36 MP D800, people claim Canon is falling behind, and they are going to dump all their Canon stuff for the exciting D800.

When there are rumors about Canon releasing a 45 MP FF camera, people claim lenses won't be able to support the sensor. No more talks about diffraction. No more talks about the uselessness of sensors with more than 12 MP. After all, there's a 36 MP D800 is on the market.

How very interesting.

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Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #119 on: February 10, 2012, 11:14:31 AM »