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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2017, 02:22:51 PM »
dak723 makes a valid point.  For me the journey to higher ISOs with less noise has been the icing on the cake.  Never thought I'd shoot an ISO 12800 that could be called decent, provided it's not cropped.  Again I'm talking wildlife and seldom enough light considering the shutter speeds.

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2017, 02:25:56 PM »
Ive been out all weekend photographing deer, wildlife is a something I'm really passionate about and was looking forward to giving the camera a good run out. It was really impressive!

100-400mm MKII is super sharp the resolution bump which not many people have talked about makes quite a big difference. I was out today photographing red deer and they are super skittish so had the 1.4x on the 100-400mm and very happy with the results having more than the centre point for F8 is really fantastic for composition.

Will upload some images when in the next couple of days.

Also been shooting in the studio and have some examples to share also.
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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2017, 05:43:33 PM »
I don't shoot wildlife very often, and when I do, I don't need too long a lens. I see a lot of birds on my deck rail, and the trees are just beyond. The lot slopes enough that the deck level is about 20 feet off the ground, so I can look at birds while sitting in the den with its three huge windows or at the kitchen table while I eat. I sometimes shoot birds through the windows, such as when some large raptor was on the deck rail after a rain letting its wings dry out before flying off. I just grabbed the iPhone for that and sent the picture to a friend who used to keep a pet hawk or something like that, to see if he could ID the species. I enjoy bird photos of others, but don't feel motivated to shoot them myself.

The deer are fairly tame and don't always run when I walk out back and we encounter each other. Maybe if I pointed a camera at them, they might not appreciate the difference between photography and other types of shooting.

I do wish I had shot video of something I saw out the den window. The white cat from next door, but who really stays on my front porch a lot, was back at the edge of the woods looking like she was stalking something. A deer with her tongue hanging out walked over to the cat looking as if she were going to lick her. The cat was going berserk, and eventually ran off past the deer toward the front of our houses, and the deer took off after her. Strange animal behavior. Fortunately a college classmate was visiting, and he saw it, too, so I didn't think I was the one going nuts.

So anyhow, I don't really take telephoto shots that much, and the 100mm macro does a good job as a 160mm substitute on the Rebel. I would buy something longer if I got a FF. I really liked and used the 200mm I had with my FT-QL, so maybe something in that range. In my non-zoom era of the 70s, I would take a 28, 85, and 200 with me, and that worked well. I have been less than pleased with the 75-300mm zoom in terms of sharpness and such, but as I said, I was pleasantly surprised by the eclipse photos. And had already taken decent moon shots, if you pardon a bit of CA:



A few years ago I took the Rebel with that lens to a football game at the college here. I was shooting from the stands, mostly video. I had no particular purpose, just messing around with the camera. I was surprised that 75mm (120 eq.) was too tight to show the whole play even on the other side of the 50 yd. line.

The low light performance of the T3i leaves a lot to be desired, so either the 80D or the 6D2 would be a big step up. I think here is where we get to the chicken-egg part. I don't shoot so much low light stuff, but I think that is because of the camera limitation, rather than that being a reason not to buy a camera with better high ISO performance. Right now ISO 800 is about my limit. I don't think I'd go wrong getting either of those bodies, really.

Thanks to you guys for your helpful comments for me to consider.

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2017, 09:11:15 PM »
@stevelee  We're all raised differently and have our personal preferences.  My four kids don't all share my enthusiasm for nature in spite of my efforts to instill it.  From what you describe at your back door I'd have as high a quality long lens as I could afford and be going nuts getting shots of all the wildlife and it'd probably all be above 800 ISO. ;)

The strange behaviour scenario presented itself to me one day and my lack of expertise left me with poorer shots than I'd have liked but there was a whole sequence between a neighbour's cat and a young fox.  I still chuckle!  For me this is what I call FUN.

Heavy crops, 6D 300 X2 and one reason why I now have 1DX2 400DO X2.  I can't fully blame the camera other than 4 fps.  A cell phone wouldn't have cut it for me but then that's just me. ;)

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2017, 10:38:45 PM »
@stevelee  We're all raised differently and have our personal preferences.  My four kids don't all share my enthusiasm for nature in spite of my efforts to instill it.  From what you describe at your back door I'd have as high a quality long lens as I could afford and be going nuts getting shots of all the wildlife and it'd probably all be above 800 ISO. ;)

The strange behaviour scenario presented itself to me one day and my lack of expertise left me with poorer shots than I'd have liked but there was a whole sequence between a neighbour's cat and a young fox.  I still chuckle!  For me this is what I call FUN.

Heavy crops, 6D 300 X2 and one reason why I now have 1DX2 400DO X2.  I can't fully blame the camera other than 4 fps.  A cell phone wouldn't have cut it for me but then that's just me. ;)

Jack

Neat sequence. I'll pass that along to my friend who saw the cat and deer incident if I can.

Have you seen any of Doug Gardner's shows on PBS and the Create channel? I particularly enjoyed the episode where he was photographing salamanders in the wild. (I think that was one of his.) Some of the shows are on YouTube. He talks about technique including camera settings.

You would have loved where I lived 10-15 years ago. It was in a fairly populated area, but way back off the road. The big yard was surrounded by woods on three sides. The fourth side faced a softball field, and there was a cemetery between it and the road. I routinely saw foxes, raccoons, wild turkeys, rabbits, deer, and other critters in my yard. I would set up my telescope in the back yard where the house would block light from the street lights. I would see eyes shining in the woods, and I wasn't sure whether they were predator or prey, or if I was the potential prey. When it snowed, I would see all sorts of tracks through the yard.

A 600mm lens might be a little much for the deer, given the distance I see them here, maybe for head shots. This time of year I don't see birds back in the woods very much because the thickness of foliage. Late fall and winter is better. I see lots of cardinals when it snows. I don't know if they come here more, or if they show up more, or if I just look out more. Maybe all three. The neighbors have bird feeders, and they used to have on high in a big tree behind their house. I don't know how or when they put the feed up there. But the tree fell several years ago and left an open space where it had been. The forest continues to recover from the construction of our homes. Here is a cardinal I saw at that feeder in January, 2009:



That was taken at ISO 800 on my old XSi, same telephoto lens at 300mm (480 eq.), cropped a bit and then resized for the web. I was nice and warm indoors, taking the photo though the window. Notice that I am shooting down a bit. I have more cardinal pictures and got at least two other species that time, including I guess a bluejay. So I'm not averse to nature photography. I just do it seasonally and comfortably for the most part. I do like to chase down bugs with my macro lens, but haven't done a lot of that. The XSi was a lot worse on noise than the T3i with which I replaced it.

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2017, 11:21:38 PM »
stevelee, thanks for sharing the interesting stories.

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #81 on: September 04, 2017, 06:06:56 PM »
On the bank holiday weekend me and my girlfriend went to Lyme Park in Stockport, Cheshire UK.

Nestling on the edge of the Peak District, Lyme was once home to the Legh family and, in its heyday a great sporting estate.

The 1,400 acre estate has a medieval herd of red deer believed to be descendants to the Royal Heard. Red deer in the UK are the largest mammal with Red deer and extremely skittish they are almost impossible to get near unlike other species such as Fallow deer. They were also in the sanctuary part of the park where the visitors weren't allowed so they were a long way away hardly ideal being a bank holiday there were a lot of people and the deer stayed well away.

Because I went with the GF it wasn't exactly the time of the day I would have gone being mid afternoon. It was also really overcast with pockets of sunshine so again not the best time to be shooting for sharpness. Anyway I took the 6DMKII with the 100-400mm MKII and 1.4X III.

These are pretty heavy crops and remember with a 1.4 also essentially 560mm. With some I have shown the original with desired crop and 100% crop so you can see what it can do. 

I purposefully shot at high shutter speeds because of the distance, range and like sheep deer grind their teeth while chewing grass so you have to shoot fast to get a sharp image of the head. This also meant I could see how the ISO faired up, I think they look fantastic, I have added +70 sharpening and +5 noise as this is my standard profile for 1600iso and up.

As usual all the images are full res so you can use the links to zoom it to look at detail at 100%

Lyme Park Red Deer by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Lyme Park Red Deer by Tom Scott, on Flickr

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Lyme Park Red Deer by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Then the sun came out.

The AF worked a treat its great to be able to compose right and left of the frame with F8 on a teleconverter and these shots are certainly better than my 7DMKII would be, the only benefit is that you can shoot at F5.6 at a similar range with full AF speed so I don't think it would replace a good crop camera for wildlife but it would certainly do the job.

One thing I did find is the shutter does ping a little more than the 5DMKIII and 7DMKII so you have to be careful with your shutter speed. It doesn't feel quite as refined as either of the other 2 cameras.

Overall I am super happy with the results, they are incredibly sharp although I do think that the 100-400 with the 1.4 needs a little AFMA so will sort when focal is updated. Even with the 1.4 the cameras focus acquisition was really fast and accurate I wasn't really worried about it missing compared to using a 1.4 on my 5DMKIII or 7DMKII. The ISO looks great and a little work it would come up a treat I just want to show you what its like straight out of camera. The handling is very similar to a 5 series the slightly lower weight of the body with a larger lens doesn't really make much difference, not as noticeable as the 24-70  the 100-400 feels nice and balanced.

The extra MP really helps with cropping too you can get some fantastic images by cropping a long way into the image. The sensor really feels sharp with my L lenses and is a real benefit, you won't be wishing for sharpness. I didn't have any trouble with DR was well within tolerance here as the light was so flat until later on in the images.

Hope you like the images and that it helps if you like to go and shoot wildlife also!

I went to another deer park called Dunham Massey in Cheshire a few days before where the deer played ,much nicer and you could fill the frame. I haven't managed to edit these yet but they are seriously sharp ideal conditions and super impressed. Some are also in wooded areas with a huge range of DR with shards of light, soft dark areas then in the background really bright areas. Handled it really well. I also shot with the bare 100-400 because I didn't really have need to use the 1.4.... wow is it a good combo.

I also went to Hadrian's wall to Housesteads (A Roma fort) near Hexam in Northumberland and walked on around a 20km round trip walk to view the Sycamore Gap. It is a large tree in-between a large dip in the wall and was the set to a scene in Robin Hood. I got some nice images but again went casually with a friend so middle of the day so harsh light but shows what the camera can do as a casual shooting camera... really what its designed for.

Also shot a few selfies along the way with the flip screen which was a novelty compared to using an iPhone. The main thing I like about it is its just a great portable camera, take it anywhere kind of camera and tbh if I'm out with friends I usually leave the DSLR at home and use my iPhone. I use it all day every day usually, sometimes its nice to actually take in what your seeing rather than concentrate on photography! It was really great to take it along to do both its not really that heavy or a burden.

Will update in due course.

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Tom
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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
« Reply #81 on: September 04, 2017, 06:06:56 PM »

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
« Reply #82 on: September 04, 2017, 07:49:17 PM »
Those are quite impressive pictures, and obviously from a nice lens and camera body.

But I can see the expressions on the faces of the deer, some derision, but mostly pity. The poor human doesn't even have on-chip ADC.

A camera with decent DR would show all of the predators lurking in the shadows back in the woods.

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
« Reply #83 on: September 04, 2017, 08:50:37 PM »
Here are the images from Dunham Massey

Dunham Massey is home to 4 types of Fallow deer:

Common: Chestnut coat with white mottles, it is most pronounced in summer with a much darker, unspotted coat in the winter. The light-coloured area around the tail is edged with black. The tail is light with a black stripe.

Menil: Spots are more distinct than common in summer and no black is seen around the rump patch or on the tail. In winter, spots are still clear on a darker brown coat.

Melanistic (black): All-year the coat is black shading to greyish brown. No light-coloured tail patch or spots are seen.

Leucistic (white, but not albino): Fawns are cream-coloured; adults become pure white, especially in winter. Dark eyes and nose are seen, with no spots

If your wondering, the skin that is shedding off the antlers is the velvet that sheds once they are fully formed.

These are the more common deer and not scared of humans at all and were obviously very used to people in this national trust park. Was a lot of fun and would definetly recommend going, although it does take the fun out of the chase... good for testing the camera tho.

Colour looks fantastic out of camera, I used spot meter most of the day because of the difficult lighting conditions and apart from one shot that I got wrong it performed perfectly. The one I got wrong was of the Melanistic under the canopy. I accidentally swapped from spot to evaluative from a previous image. So there you go everyone makes mistakes and tbh it has edited really well for a 3200ISO image! Plenty of latitude.

Most shot with bare 100-400mm MKII I've added 100% crops. As usual all are full res you can zoom on Flickr to see 100%.

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

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Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

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Dragon Fly, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Melanistic Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire out of camera by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Shot this one with the 1.4x

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

This one is 5000ISO! Looks fantastic!

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire by Tom Scott, on Flickr

The images speak for themselves really... the more I shoot with it the more I like it :D

Next I'm going to take the camera out to do some astro and landscape camera see how it does but I don't think it will have any issues at all.

Hope you like the images

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Tom
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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2017, 01:08:28 AM »
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

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« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2017, 03:46:13 AM »
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

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Thanks jack.

I just think its a really fun camera, I dont have any experience with the MKI but I cant see how anyone would really dislike using this camera. Glad your enjoying yours aswell!  :)
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« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2017, 12:00:39 PM »
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

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Thanks jack.

I just think its a really fun camera, I dont have any experience with the MKI but I cant see how anyone would really dislike using this camera. Glad your enjoying yours aswell!  :)

6D sold but waiting for hopefully better pricing since it'll be a second camera.

When someone, in this case you, displays the goods it sure makes the bashers, "6D2 is garbage", look like fools.  It's hours of fretting and bashing vs. hours of picture taking fun.   You should be a Canon Ambassador.  ;)

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2017, 12:16:52 PM »
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

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Thanks jack.

I just think its a really fun camera, I dont have any experience with the MKI but I cant see how anyone would really dislike using this camera. Glad your enjoying yours aswell!  :)

6D sold but waiting for hopefully better pricing since it'll be a second camera.

When someone, in this case you, displays the goods it sure makes the bashers, "6D2 is garbage", look like fools.  It's hours of fretting and bashing vs. hours of picture taking fun.   You should be a Canon Ambassador.  ;)

Jack

Ah sorry thought you had bought one!

Well I just think its a shame and IMO images speak much more than words. Shot about 15k with it already! Its not worth the worry is it! More fun being out doing what you enjoy with something you can rely on!.
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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2017, 03:26:41 AM »
The deer pictures are great!  Thank you for sharing them :)

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Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
« Reply #89 on: Today at 11:00:23 AM »
hi Tom, nice images! Also nice to hear a Pro's thoughts on a camera, usually vastly different from the 'professional reviewers'

I am glad you are happy with the 6d2 and that it is mostly an improvement over the 5d3.

Except for perhaps the bump in resolution and improvement in outer AF points , you could actually have been describing the 'old 6D' ! Which, of course, makes it even more difficult to decide if the 6D2 is worth it....although I do remember how much more refined the 6D felt at the time compared to my 5d2 ... but my thoughts also keep on turning to perhaps a 2nd hand 5Ds or R instead of a new 6d2...?




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