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daniela

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M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« on: September 01, 2017, 03:02:02 PM »
Hi Guys!
Autumn is coming, so hiking season will start soon. As I have to carry a lot of things for my children, I need an lighter MLS system. The 5D MKIV combined with 16-35mm and 24-105mm lenses, a lot of weight to carry.
I need this camera for shots at hiking (landscape), without an tripod, just out of hand for family album. Using it with an polarizer. On the days, when I go for real "landscaping", there is my backpack full of photographic stuff. But then I do not have to carry a lot form my childrens.   ;)
My expectations: good image quality, lightwheigt, small, polarizer-able
My husband will spend me an lighter system, as he preordered two D850 these days  ::)

I did an research in the net and found two cameras that will be interesting:
The Fuji XT-2 with the 10-24mm and an Xf50mm lens

Or the cheaper Canon M5 with the EF-M 11-24mm lens and an  EF-M 18-150mm 3.5-6.3 IS STM lens.
I know, the more than double so expensive XT-2 will offer an better image quality.
Do you know, if there is much difference in the image quality (mostly shots are at f8, Iso 100-400, RAW?)
If there is not much difference, are the lenses an good choice? Or some thing else?

Thank you
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M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« on: September 01, 2017, 03:02:02 PM »

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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2017, 03:53:30 PM »
How about an Olympus TG model?

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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2017, 04:53:07 PM »
The M5 and the lenses listed would be an excellent choice.  I have no Fuji experience.

The M5 + 22, 11-22 and 18-150 is what I use when I want to go light and for family outings with the kids.  I take mine hiking, on bike trips and for days at an amusement park or festival.  Not having to lug heavy full frame gear around makes these trips much more enjoyable, even if I give up a little with image quality.  It also makes my wife and kids happier, as the larger gear often gets in the way, and the little ones (ages 4-6-7) occasionally get bopped in the head or shoulder when I carry my 5DsR on a Black Rapid strap.  :o

The 11-22 is an excellent lens optically, probably the best EF-M lens.  The 18-150's versatility if great and its IQ is good for a super zoom.  I've owned all the Canon EF-M lenses except the 28mm Macro at some point, and I ended up selling all but the 22 f/2, 11-22 and 18-150.  I did some side by side testing and felt the 18-150 was sharper than the 15-45 and 18-55 and very close to the 55-200 in IQ.  These 3 EF-M lenses cover full frame equivalent of 19mm to 240mm with the 22 f/2 and 50 STM+adapter handling low light / shallow DOF duties.

I probably use my 22 f/2 lens the most with the 18-150 second.  The 11-22 is excellent, but I find I don't use it very much.  I tend to only shoot ultra wide for serious landscape or night sky photography, and I have better tools for those situations (5DsR+16-35 for landscape and M5+Rokinon 12mm f/2 for night sky).

Good luck with you decision!
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »
Get the SL2.

Compared to the M5, the SL2: Weighs almost the same, has the same sensor, has over twice the battery life, has a more versatile flippy screen, has the same Mirrorless Autofocus plus the classic Rebel AF system (with a center point that is possibly still better for fast tracking), and it costs almost half as much.

The only real advantages to the M5 are all the fancy control dials and it has a much faster burst speed, the SL2 actually sucks at burst rate, but if the application here is "landscape" then IQ will be identical.
(Plenty of wildlife photographers made a career with slow burst rates for decades anyway)

For your lens, that's a bit tough, but even though the EF-S 10-18 IS STM is worse than the EF-M 11-22 in very nearly every way, at 10mm and f8 it's pretty close to the same IQ, and 1mm wider, and the EF-S lens costs 30% less.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=967&Camera=812&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=3&LensComp=950&CameraComp=963&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3

"At that specific aperture and focal length" the SL2 should give you virtually the same IQ for 40% less money.

But Wait There's More!
The EF-S 24mm Pancake is not nearly as wide, but it's faster, more compact (I'd say the SL2 with that is nearly as compact as any mirrorless) and MUCH cheaper.
You're looking at a $700 total cost with just the SL2 and 24mm Pancake (and it works well with all your big lenses if you should so desire)
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=960&Camera=963&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=967&CameraComp=812&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0



If money is no object then you might be happier with the controls on a Fuji or the M5, I'm still looking at getting something like that just so I can fiddle with dials all day, but if "the image" is all that matters then the latest Fuji sensors and the M5 and SL2 are practically identical. (You can compare Dynamic Range across the sensors here: http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm )
The Fuji X-Trans color filter handles moire spectacularly well, but again the subject here is landscape and not portrait so that's probably less of an issue.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2017, 05:48:38 PM by 9VIII »

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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2017, 07:09:58 PM »
Last summer my wife and I walked through the Swiss Alps.  3 1/2 weeks, 450km, 32,000m altitude gain. The only photo gear I took was an M3, 11-22 and 55-200, with a Manfrotto tabletop tripod. And four batteries.
And a Garmin GPS that allowed me to geolocate the photos.
If I did the trip again, I'd take the same gear.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2017, 07:32:23 PM »
I'm a bit biased but for a hiking specific camera I would strongly suggest looking at Olympus.  You get access to  very compact and extremely well sealed bodies with some high quality (and weather sealed) lenses to match.  You definitely are going to give up some image quality, although you can get that back and then some if you can shoot in HiRes mode, but in my opinion it's worth it for the weight reduction and reduction in pack volume for hiking.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 08:30:07 PM »
XT-2 with:
1.  Fuji 23mm f2 WR
2.  Fuji 35mm f2 WR
3.  Fuji 50mm f2 WR

Even
4. Fuji 90mm f2 WR

These are Fuji best weather sealed lenses, still, compact, light weight and deliver high quality photos . After shooting with Fuji cams, I doubt you would pickup another Canon body.  I love my xt2, however, I replaced with xpro2 since I now have A9.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 08:30:07 PM »

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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2017, 09:54:44 PM »
I chose the M for my hiking needs when I wanted to go light.  I wanted a very light solution and didn't want to learn another system so I optimized for that.  I didn't have to learn new menu system, system quirks, or postprocessing.  My Canon FF experience is mostly transferrable to the M,  it just has some limitations.

The EF-M 11-22 is the primary lens used on my M3, usually attached to my pack strap.  It has served me well and stacks up reasonable well against my full frame in many conditions.
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg625335#msg625335
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I since upgraded and have both the M3 and M5.  I sometimes carry both with the wide angle on the M3 and the telephoto on the M5 where critical focus is more of a concern.  Saves lens changes in the field.

Before the 18-150 I usually carried the 55-200 for reach.  If I don't need the reach I can carry the 18-150.  If I need the reach it would be the 55-200 or the new 70-300 IS II USM depending my need for weight vs reach. 

I have the 22 but seldom found I used it on the trail.  I much prefer the 11-22 IS when I'm lugging a pack on my back.  I now prefer the 28 macro on the trail in case I run into a macro opportunity.  And it makes a sharp prime as well.

I might consider the other systems if I was looking for a single solution to replace both the M3/M5 and my 1DX2/6D.  But for me, I pull out the FF with L lenses for serious photography (even on the trail) or I go small/light (like around town with the grandkids).  I now shoot more with the M's than my FF gear, but it's pretty close.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2017, 10:36:41 PM »
Hey Dylan, you didn't sell off all of your Canon kit did you?
scott

XT-2 with:
1.  Fuji 23mm f2 WR
2.  Fuji 35mm f2 WR
3.  Fuji 50mm f2 WR

Even
4. Fuji 90mm f2 WR

These are Fuji best weather sealed lenses, still, compact, light weight and deliver high quality photos . After shooting with Fuji cams, I doubt you would pickup another Canon body.  I love my xt2, however, I replaced with xpro2 since I now have A9.

Cameras: 1DXII,5D III, 5D II.  Lenses    24-70 2.8L II IS, 70-200 f4L IS, 70-200 f2.8L IS II, EF 400 5.6L, 300 2.8 IS II, Samyang 14 mm 2.8.   Flashes: 600EX-RT X 2, ST-E3-RT, 580 EX II.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2017, 11:35:58 PM »
Love my Fuji kit but I am usually carrying that plus my 5DIII a lot of the time. Usually use 5D3 + 70-200 IS II and XT1 + 10-24.

but I would think a shoulder strap + 24-105 should be light enough if you can get it down to one lens?

Have no experience with the canon but I am completely satisfied with the Fuji as a mirrorless solution.  EVF on he Fuji is very good so I’m sure the xt2 is even better.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2017, 11:37:10 PM »
I have and used both systems XT-2 and M5 for casual trips and hiking. They are both very capable systems and do not disappoint at all. It comes down to familiarity with the system, overall size, color/quality taste, and perhaps cost.
I select one system over the other based on how busy the schedule is and how much extra time I might have for sorting and editing pictures on the way. When time is extremely tight, XT-2 is the camera. I found XT-2’s straight-out-of-camera jpegs and a handful of color simulations excellent, so no post processing and even no downloading of the camera files to the computer until getting back home. I put two 128G SD cards in it and fill them all the way. Dual slot cards and weather sealing also give peace of mind, somehow. Kit of choice is 10-24mm (not weather sealed for sunny days), 23mm f/2 and 50mm f/2 (weather sealed for snowy and rainy days).
On the other hand, if the schedule is not that tight, weather forecast is promising and lower weight is a priority, M5 with 22mm on it and 18-150mm in the bag will be the preferred kit.
Being said, neither system can replace the 5DSR, 11-24mm f/4L, 24-70 f/2.8 LII and 70-300mm f4-5.6L kit in terms of versatility and image quality.

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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2017, 04:54:02 AM »
Thank you a lot for your answers.
I just returned from handling both bodies, and I think I stay with Canon, as my system is half the price of the XT-2 and Canon´s image quality at lower Isos is  not much worser than the XT-2.
I´ll take he three lenses.

Until now, it was not pleasing to carry the Eos 5D MKIV and the 16-35 III or another heavy lens in front of my chest.
It will be more pleasing with this body. How do you carry it, if you go hiking with an larger backpack?


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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2017, 05:09:29 AM »

It will be more pleasing with this body. How do you carry it, if you go hiking with an larger backpack?


Peak Design Capture Pro works well with the M family.  Better than any strap system I've tried.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2017, 05:09:29 AM »

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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2017, 06:37:11 AM »
Congratulations on the new equipment, I think you will enjoy it.

Peak Design Capture Pro works well with the M family.  Better than any strap system I've tried.

I also use the Peak Design Capture Pro, very nice system.  When I use a strap its the Peak Design Leash, which I can adjust and use over my shoulder to carry the camera on my hip or shorten to carry around my neck.  I also use their wrist strap, all easy to interchange using their universal attachment anchors.
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2017, 09:21:31 AM »
Get the SL2.

Compared to the M5, the SL2: Weighs almost the same, has the same sensor, has over twice the battery life, has a more versatile flippy screen, has the same Mirrorless Autofocus plus the classic Rebel AF system (with a center point that is possibly still better for fast tracking), and it costs almost half as much.

The SL2 does compare pretty favorably to the M5.  It is a little larger with a pancake lens attached an considerably larger with a super zoom (the OP mentioned use of one of these) attached.  But I was surprised that the size comparisons were so close.  The SL2 is an attractive, low cost alternative to mirrorless systems with many of the same benefits and a few additional advantages.

With pancake lenses mounted:

M5 + EF-M 22 f/2 = 532 grams, 72mm in depth (height and width similar)
SL2 + EF-S 28 f/2.8 = 578 grams, 93mm in depth
http://camerasize.com/compact/#684.349,715.439,ga,t

Big difference with super zoom mounted:

M5 + EF-M 18-150 = 727 grams, 135mm in depth
SL2+ EF-S 18-135 = 968 grams, 166mm in depth
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Re: M5 or XT-2 for hiking?
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2017, 09:21:31 AM »