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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 12:13:58 PM »
$3k

That's the same price as a Sigma 120-300/2.8 OS and a quality 1.4x TC

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 12:13:58 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 02:01:47 PM »
the 100-400mm is a lens i sell to amateurs quite often.
i guess the new one will not sell as well.

Yeah, wow $3000+. Wow. I got my 300 2.8 IS for $3000+ just a few years ago! Of course those are now $7000. But now even just a 100-400L zoom will be like an extreme reach for an amateur as the 300 2.8 IS used to be.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 02:46:22 PM »
I have and use this lens a lot. Let's be fair, one of the reason that this lens is towards the cheaper end of the L lenses is because it has problems. To me, as it stands the lens is at best borderline L quality glass. It's slow to focus and the image quality can be pretty dodgy on the long end wide open. I would gladly pay three grand for an extremely versatile, greatly improved IQ, fast focusing lens... along the lines of the 70-300L. Frankly, I always expected to pay a lot more for an improved version of this lens.

Of course, I will be upset if its problems aren't significantly tempered.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 04:16:14 PM by smirkypants »

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 04:41:25 PM »
is it fair and reasonable to compare the price of a lens at end-of-life (100-400 mark 1) to the price of a lens at start-of-life (100-400 mark 2)?

the 100-400 has a list price of £1940, whereas the street price is ~ £1200.  A lifetime drop of 38%

further, more recent examples

consider the price graph for the 300 f/2.8 mark 2
£7500 at start-of-life
to
£5500 today
26% drop

source: http://camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod1610.html



consider the price graph for the 70-200 f/2.8 mark 2
£2500 at start-of-life
to
£1800 today
28% drop

source: http://camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod1249.html
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 04:56:52 PM by Asposium »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 07:26:23 PM »
This is *great* news, if indeed it is news.  However, the alleged 3K price tag is pretty steep. Is this lens twice as good as the current model?? I would consider a 400mm with IS if they ever make one.  I guess they can charge whatever they want to since there really isn't any competition in this range is there, unless you consider the Sigma's/Bigma...   just saw someone mentioned possible Tokina 100-400...that could be nice.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 07:34:36 PM by samkatz »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2012, 09:00:55 PM »
I am sure there will be plenty of used copies of the current 100-400 L for those that don't want to pay the $3k.  Like mine  ;D.  If the initital price is $3k, I would expect it to drop a few hundred after a few months.  Say $2,500-$2,600. 

If this lens has 4 stop IS, complete weather sealing, better IQ and faster AF....yes, I will find the money.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2012, 12:54:50 AM »
over 10-12 years, you're right... $3000.00 is not a huge investment if this is your passion and or work....I am personally slowing down my updating of bodies. Have been buying one every 2 years. Canon would have to come out with some entirely new concept for the SLR for me to upgrade for a while.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2012, 03:25:22 AM »
I am sure there will be plenty of used copies of the current 100-400 L for those that don't want to pay the $3k

There has been 3 used 100-400mm lenses at my local specialist photography dealer in the last few months, which either indicates times are hard and people are ditching their least used lenses or a lot of people are expecting something soon and want to get the maximum return on a old lens.
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2012, 05:49:52 AM »
I agree, 80-100% price increases for the most popular lens updates is getting a little tired.

I just posted a seperate question about what existing tele lens to buy or to wait for the upcoming new 100-400. After writing, I realized the question would be better placed in this thread - but instead of repeating myself, I'd ask anyone who knows something about these L lenses to give me some advice if possible here:

www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3359.0.html ... manually copy/paste the link or look in the lenses sub-forum - thanks.

« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 05:58:27 AM by Marsu42 »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2012, 07:28:29 AM »
over 10-12 years, you're right... $3000.00 is not a huge investment if this is your passion and or work....

problem is you have to have the 3000$ first.  ;)

in the current economy amateurs will think twice to buy a 3000$ lens.
1300 euro for the "old model" looks like a bargain.

with such high prices for telephoto lenses the µ43 system look more and more attractive to people who would have prefered a DSLR in the past. at least that´s my impression from discussions i had.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 07:34:38 AM by Astro »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2012, 08:17:42 PM »
I bought it 2 months ago but no regrets! It is a nice lens, maybe a little impractical but quite value for money.
Yes I would like a 4-stop stabilizer, faster autofocus, even better quality but still I am satisfied.
If the new version were to cost double the price I would still choose the old one (and use the rest money to get another lens...)

P.S I call it the "Duck Lens" because I use it to shoot ducks in a park close to my home :)

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2012, 06:49:06 AM »
Quote from: Haydn1971
which either indicates times are hard and people are ditching their least used lenses or a lot of people are expecting something soon and want to get the maximum return on a old lens.
Or - like me - they've upgraded to a new lens (in my case a new Siggy 120-300mm f/2.8 OS) and no longer need the 100-400mm...

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2012, 05:56:03 PM »
Quote from: Haydn1971
which either indicates times are hard and people are ditching their least used lenses or a lot of people are expecting something soon and want to get the maximum return on a old lens.
Or - like me - they've upgraded to a new lens (in my case a new Siggy 120-300mm f/2.8 OS) and no longer need the 100-400mm...
going a little OT here but what are your thoughts on the siggy? quality how do you think it compares to say the canon 70-200 f2.8 IS II
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2012, 07:49:46 AM »
I'm not familiar with that Canon lens, WW, but I'm very impressed with the Sigma.

I have a really, really good 100-400mm, and the Sigma outdoes it in every metric: the images are sharper, the AF is quicker, the stabilisation is brilliant, and - a surprise I'm really pleased about - the colour and contrast from the Sigma really are obviously better than the 100-400mm - that was the very first thing I noticed about the files.

It's damn' good with a TC too. This is 420mm with a Canon 1.4x (and a heavy crop) and it's good and sharp with two stacked 1.4s as well.

These are both "wide open". A key reason for me buying it was the additional DoF flexibility provided by f/2.8 if I want it, and it is definitely very usable wide open. It gets silly-sharp by f/5 (assuming - as will usually be the case - that I'm starting at f/4 because of a TC).

I only ever shoot handheld, incidentally: it's a heavy lens, but I'm already used to it.

I'd always said that regardless of what I upgraded to, I'd never part with my 100-400mm: now, I'm really not so sure about that.

I recently read a comprehensive review of the new Canon 300mm f/2.8, and - based on the sample images - the Sigma is barely a hair behind in sharpness terms.
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS in 2012 [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2012, 11:01:28 AM »
There has been 3 used 100-400mm lenses at my local specialist photography dealer in the last few months, which either indicates times are hard and people are ditching their least used lenses or a lot of people are expecting something soon and want to get the maximum return on a old lens.

The 100-400mm is a very popular lens (for good reasons) - the fact that so many are sold new means a lot are sold used.  They are commonly and easily available on the used market - there are three up on my local Craigslist right now, in the $1200 range, and I've seen them under $1100 lately. 

By comparison, I only rarely see a 300mm f/4L IS or 400mm f/5.6L up for sale, perhaps only 1-2 of each per year.
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